Chiron

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  • Re: Chiron

    04/26
    I have study my chiron placement, but i am always willing to learn more about it.
    I have chiron in taurus, 12 - th house, in opposition to my moon,mercury and uranus.
    Everything i read about it does fits me, but like i said i need to learn more, so i am still in a proces of reasrch
    • Re: Chiron

      04/26
      oh man. my chiron is badly placed, and aspected by too many planets.
      • Re: Chiron

        04/26
        Lets heare it ghost .girl
        • Re: Chiron

          04/26
          Chiron at 1* Gemini, near the end of the 7th house.
          .... sextile Sun
          .... quintile Mercury
          .... square Venus
          .... semi-square Mars
          .... opposite Jupiter
          .... opposite Uranus
          .... bi-quintile Pluto
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            Re: Chiron

            04/27
            Chiron at 3* Cancer, 8th house

            semisextile Mercury
            conjunct Venus
            square Mars
            semisextile Jupiter
            opposite Saturn
            opposite Uranus
            opposite Neptune
            trine Pluto
          • Re: Chiron

            04/27
            ghost.girl
            Why do you cosider this to be bad,did you read something bad about this, Which part is bad
            Do you put a lot of meaning into smaller aspects
            I dont usually count them unless they are exact and connected to personal planets, but i dont put much meaning on them,
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              Re: Chiron

              04/27
              Mine is Aries in the 9th house. Right along with my Eris, Pallas and Sun.
  • Re: Chiron

    07/07
    If anyone would like, I'll be happy to offer a general description of Chiron in a particular house, or in a specific aspect. And you can either post it here, or msg me privately if you prefer.

    Zane
    • Re: Chiron

      07/07
      That´s a very generous offer Zane.I have chiron in 12-th house and i read youre description about it, i liked it very much , i saved it.
      If you feel like it , maybe you can describe chiron moon opposition, as have that and im always intrested in deeper understanding of it.
      • Re: Chiron

        07/07
        mine is Aries, I think ... what does that mean for me then zane / others ??!!
        • Re: Chiron

          07/10
          Hey, Znigma, here is something i found about chiron in aries.

          „Chiron in Aries is an exercise of self-discovery. You will often find the natives speaking of their spiritual quest, the need to find personal meaning in awareness and existence. Some cope with their early wounds by withdrawing, others over-compensate aggressively. While the latter group may be courageous trailblazers when there is a personal investment in the spiritual process, unless there are other spiritual aspects in the chart, their spiritual seeking rarely extends beyond a purely personal quest. There are associations between head wounds, headaches and other head-area injuries with an afflicted Chiron in Aries, but one should look to other aspects for confirmation.

          You are on a quest to understand your identity and purpose. You are courageous, and may be a pioneer or trailblazer in some way. You are probably restless unless you are extremely active. You are impatient to be on the track of finding the answers you seek, and too much limitation can drive you crazy. You naturally resonate with the warrior/healer of Chiron, and in order to be healthy you need to find a way to take on power and give it expression within your life.“

          But,chiron stays in one sign through longer period of time.
          For example chiron was in aries from 31.1.1969- 28.5.1976, so its influence in the sign is generational.
          It has more personal influence in house he resides in natal chart.Since you are gemini rising and youre chiron is in aries im guessing youre chiron is in 11-th house.
          But you can check that in astro.com, you pick the „chart drawing ascendant“ option and see where youre chiron is.



          • Re: Chiron

            07/10
            lovely ... thanks for digging that up madame Ana ...
            • Re: Chiron

              07/10
              Your welcome :)
              • Re: Chiron

                07/10
                My Chiron doesn't make sense to me.... I got it in Gemini, 9th house.
                • Re: Chiron

                  07/10
                  If Chiron is the bridge between Saturn and Uranus.... I do got both them planets in the 3rd house also if that adds more to the mystery.
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                    Re: Chiron

                    07/10
                    But when you read about chiron in 9-th house,gemini, do you recognize youreself
                    • Re: Chiron

                      07/10
                      I love to travel. And I have already traveled half of the US by 23. It says for the 9th house that its just a dream.

                      (The time it took to respond... over-analyzing.... it says Chiron in Gemini quickly jumps to conclusions......I think out allot)

                      Then there could be the obvious of just being left handed and cannot write and spell worth a damn. Though there is this wonderful spell check that fixes that problem!

                      Chiron in Gemini:

                      High on the list of priorities with these people is, as you might suspect, communication or ideas. It is especially important for them to understand why there is a communication breakdown, or why there is an obstacle to communication, and to do everything to resolve the situation. Therefore these are the best people to have around as non-biased third parties in a dispute. The want very much to contact as many people as possible, and it hurts them if they are misunderstood. If they take up a cause, they can be quite fiery advocates. Learning is paramount to them, and they love to learn new ways of thinking, new ways of problem solving. They are always testing, testing, to see just what limitations their immediate environment puts on them, and on others.

                      I do talk to people all over the world on the phone, and also online. And some pretty personal, deep connections. Ill have to think more about it. But like I got fluent communication..... I have always been the one that does the talking when everything goes down.... and make up the stories.
                      • Re: Chiron

                        07/10
                        Well i for example relate much more with my chiron in 12-th house description, than with its taurus placement
                        You have mercury in cancer ,virgo moon,asc, so i think that affect more on youre thinking process than chiron in gemini does
                        • Re: Chiron

                          07/10
                          specially that cancer mercury since it is a ruler of youre chart
                          • Re: Chiron

                            07/10
                            Guess so.... Pollux and Castor were both raised by Chiron in mythology. (The twins)

                            I got my Mercury conjunct to both of them also.... With the Gemini MC.

                            This one I found fits to the T

                            Chiron in the Ninth House: Chiron placed in the 9th house indicates a wounding or break with the traditions or spiritual teachings in youth. These people find that life is one continuing spiritual crisis, and they are often on the edge of spiritual thinking. They can be drawn to atheism on the one side or fundamentalism on the other, but regardless of what they may say, they are passionate "believers" of one sort or another - they are almost never true agnostics. They are avid students and make excellent teachers.

                            I always had alot of different religions around me.... And the occult. Hoodoo ladies lived on my streets growing up. I started a cultural diversity club back when I was in high school.
                            • Re: Chiron

                              07/10
                              meh, i wish i had hoodoo ladies in my street.
                              its intresting this to hear about chiron in 9-th house. I know its completly different ,but my sister has Black moon lilith in ninth house and it has similar meaning with this part "wounding or break with the traditions or spiritual teachings in youth. "
                              • Re: Chiron

                                07/10
                                Lilith forms alot of aspects my chart if I include it ....

                                I got it at 2 Taurus in the 8th house.....

                                I also got Sun at 2 Cancer, Pluto at 2 Scorpio, Neptune at 2 Capricorn, and Moon at 5 Virgo....

                                Making an interesting 5 pointed star.

                                images.tribe.net/tribe/upl...e9b36a0052

                                A lot of powerful woman love to protect me.
                                • Re: Chiron

                                  07/10
                                  but lilith aspect should form a little orb, to three degree, and i read that the ones that are usually taken into cosidiration are conjunction and opposition,
                                  but yeah cool star and its good to have such a powerful protective force by youre side
                • Re: Chiron

                  07/28
                  "CHIRON IN GEMINI: High on the list of priorities with these people is, as you might suspect, communication. It is especially important for them to understand why there is a communication breakdown, or why there is an obstacle to communication, and to do everything to resolve the situation. Therefore these are the best people to have around as non-biased third parties in a dispute. The want very much to contact as many people as possible, and it hurts them if they are misunderstood. If they take up a cause, they can be quite fiery advocates. Learning is paramount to them, and they love to learn new ways of thinking, new ways of problem solving. They are always testing, testing, to see just what limitations their immediate environment puts on them, and on others."

                  I always like Chiron in 9th.....my favorite astrologer, Dane Rudhyar, had that.

                  "CHIRON IN THE Ninth House: In their direction of interest these people have a talent for finding and understanding basic laws, general principles and the underlying significance of a situation; the root, basic meanings which are often hidden from others. They also can work with these in ways that are quite unbelievable, synthesizing them into more complex patterns, or finding ways to explain them to others in words that an ordinary person can understand. Or they may not use words as their medium but find some other way of communicating their in-depth understanding of symbols. It often comes out as a talent for simplifying technical explanations, an ability to “tune-in” on the current of today, a talent for really identifying with the audience, a desire to teach, or a fantastic ability to persuade (or mold public opinion.) They love challenges, are usually perceptive observers, good at ad-libbing, and outspoken with pronounced opinions. They have
                  a powerful need to seek others with the same philosophies and beliefs, and usually, an equally powerful need to convince nonbelievers to believe in them. In its most negative expression this produces a VERY narrow philosophy, a dislike or hatred of those who don’t fit into this philosophy, and an almost “police mentality.” Whether positively or negatively, they search for verification and clarification of what they believe in, in all areas of life.

                  Gay Talese, Paul Theroux, Tom Wicker, George Bernard Shaw, Andre Malraux, Alfred Hitchcock, Dane Rudhyar, John Addey, Marc Edmund Jones, Edgar Cayce, Nietzsche, David St. Clair, Judy Blume, John Clifford, Graham Nash, Jack Sheldon, Dolly Parton, Eric Satie, Edouard Manet, Andy Warhol, Howard Cosell, Julie Andrews, Goldie Hawn Greta Garbo, Jim Bailey, Roddy McDowell, Candice Bergen, Ava Gardner, Shelley Fabares, Robert Stack, Ronald Reagan (if you use the Cancer-rising chart), William Colby, J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Daley, George Wallace, Ayatollah Khomeini, Adolf Hitler, Herman Goering, Everett LeRoy Jones, James Earl Ray, John W. Gacy, Enrico Fermi, Lotte Strahl, Stanley Hiller, Mary Wells, Arthur Okun"
        • Re: Chiron

          07/28
          "CHIRON IN ARIES: The best way to understand these people is to look at the two most recent periods with Chiron in Aries. The 1920’s (The Roaring Twenties) with their “flappers”, self-expression and uninhibitedness, and the 1970’s, often termed the “Me Generation”, were both very Arien times. Theirs is a personal imperative to push their potentials to the maximum, and a belief that everyone should express himself. There is a strong need to overcome any obstacles that may stand in the way of exploring new areas, especially if these areas lead to greater self-understanding. They have a strong need to make their point of view understood, and believe the rights of the individual are paramount. They want to be first at something. Major lesson:
          controlling their aggressiveness and coping with the aggressiveness of other people."
      • Re: Chiron

        07/28
        "MOON OPPOSITION CHIRON
        When this aspect expresses positively the people who have it are fighters for the people; but when negative they are fighters against the people, becoming quite defensive. The type of fighting they do depends on the sign and house positions, and, of course, the rest of the chart. In some there is a belief in non-violence, while in others, the opposite extreme prevails. In one way or another, this is the aspect of a real fighter’s instinct. Many can penetrate problems quickly and go straight to the point. There is also a kind of charisma about these natives, and even their enemies can feel its influence. This aspect also seems to produce or bring out a multiplicity of feelings which may overwhelm an individual if s/he lets them. If this does occur the person may begin to dichotomize self, and project his or her own feelings onto others. Then the perception may develop that those ‘others’ are the enemy. Such a person must be guided to recognize the feelings s/he has, realize how many different levels of them s/he is experiencing, and how each emotional incident relates to the next one. For the people who do not let their feelings overwhelm them, this is an unbelievably creative aspect, leading them to experience a multitude of different feelings and moods which they readily integrate into their psyche. Perhaps it is this ability that makes them such capable fighters?

        EXAMPLES of people with Moon opposition Chiron:

        Henry Cabot Lodge, Robert McNamara, James Dean, John Denver, Lord Alfred Douglas, Adolf Hitler, Jean Didion, Shirley Hufstedler, Mayor Maynard Jackson, Jack Kemp, Stewart Mott, William Masters, Steve Allen, Elton John, Alan Watts, Fred Astaire, Prince Charles, Victor Hugo, Auguste Lumiere, Alma Cluck."
    • Re: Chiron

      07/13
      Hi Zane,

      I would really appreciate a Chiron description for me. I have a double Grand Earth Trine with Chiron in my chart.

      Chiron in Taurus 3rd house

      Chiron Trine Capricorn Ascendant

      Chiron Trine Mars in Virgo 8th House

      Chiron Trine Saturn in Virgo 8th house

      Mars and Saturn Trine Ascendant

      Thanks…
      • Re: Chiron

        07/28
        "CHIRON IN TAURUS:
        Values change through time and cultures, but these people have a personal imperative to search for values that will remain when everything around them changes. All typical Taurean things, such as possessions and security, are important, but they have unique viewpoints on them. They feel that nothing must stop them from acquiring what they feel they need to survive, and this includes material security. Many lessons come to them from this area of life, and as they evolve they develop a great deal of concern for the needy. They feel that no one should be deprived of the necessities of life, and no one should become wealthy at the expense of others. The less elevated types may not feel this way, but they are working out problems that will eventually lead them to this attitude. These people often are quite innovative in solving problems in the material world."

        "CHIRON IN THIRD HOUSE:
        Unless other things point to the contrary, there is an innate belief (which goes back to childhood) that all things are possible. Relationships of all kinds are always on these people’s minds. In the lower type the sense of humor is very “pornographic” (dirty-minded), which stems from the importance of relationships. No matter what social level they are on they have an ability to think like, and communicate with, the common man. Even the people who have elevated their minds are usually noted for their good sense of humor. Basically they are of a liberal bent, often libertarians. They allow no limitations to stand in the way of their mental processes, and they let their thoughts roam everywhere, even to the taboo. In fact their logical minds are not confined to logic; they are very closely linked to their emotions, their instincts, and other areas; and their emotions are very easily aroused. Usually mental experimenters with fast minds, they tend to be mentally versatile, often controversial in thought and word, usually straightforward, possessed of a unique writing style, and often talkative.

        Xaviera Hollander, Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt, Gypsy Rose Lee, Jean Cocteau, Beverly Sills, Paul Newman, Robert Redford, O.J. Simpson, Clarence Lillehei, Roger Morton, George Steinbrenner, Casper Weinberger, Steve Cauthen, Phil Donahue, James Taylor, Arlo Guthrie, Algernon Swinburne, Joan Crawford, Betty Davis, Arthur Rimbaud, Ethel Merman, Dr. F. Regarde, Jean Paul Sarte, Robert Cummings, Betty Friedan, Erma Bombeck, Steve Allen, Ray Bradbury, Sigmund Freud, Alan Watts, Fritz Perls, Edgar Degas"

        "CHIRON TRINE MARS:
        People who have this aspect seem always to be seeing glimpses of innovations they can make, improvements they can add, even when they are not looking for them. It is almost as though there is some sentinel in their unconscious always on the lookout for new breakthrough opportunities even while their conscious minds are content with working with what they have at hand. On a positive level, therefore, these people are fluent innovators, seemingly able to open new doors with little effort. When they make a deliberate effort to research problems, they seem to be able to make obstacles almost melt away. When hard work is required, they are usually willing to devote much energy to the tasks at hand---unless other aspects point to the contrary.

        There is another side to this aspect. As natives are growing up, the unexpected seems to happen to them in areas of life that they thought they knew---that they had taken for granted. These unexpected events test their Mars. There may be tests of their masculinity, or tests of their stamina, or tests of their ability to attack a problem, tests of their ability to assert themselves or even tests of their ability to take the first step in some new situation. With Chiron in trine to anything, unexpected lessons come because we usually feel comfortable with areas 120^ away from a planet---we feel we can express ourselves freely there, and that we can take the area for granted---that it is never going to pose a challenge. But Chiron reacts differently here than any other type of trine. Doors open up in areas in which we had no idea there were any doors. Since Chiron in trine teaches one not to take anything for granted, many people learn this lesson quickly and profit by gaining the ability to look into places others ignore---to try methods others would not expect to be valid [too commonplace, or too ordinary, or simply not ‘worthy’ of consideration.] (When someone with this aspect comes up with a new procedure, you might find yourself saying, ‘Now why didn’t I think of it---it was right in front of me all the time?’)
        There can be a hazard in this aspect. Some people are insecure, and when these unexpected doors open to them, they become scared, defensive. They tend to try to erect walls---barriers---in the areas influenced by Chiron---to try to shield Mars from the unexpected. This has the following result: Mars, which needs these lessons to evolve, begins to deteriorate. Possibly, it even may become distorted. In such an event, the person may express Mars in strange, sometimes anti-social ways. The unexpected events none-the-less occur [in a context made less favorable by the person’s defensive reactions], but the person misinterprets them in relation to the walls s/he has built up. This vicious circle will continue until the person sees that s/he .must tear the walls down. This happen with the help of someone in the role of guru or healer, or it may happen [spontaneously] when Chiron makes a hard aspect by transit to its natal position.
        KEEP IN MIND that this is only one of many expressions of Chiron, and much less common than the more positive expressions of this trine.
        EXAMPLES of people with Mars trine Chiron:
        Helen Reddy, Karl Ernst Krafft, Richard Speck, Wendell Wilkie, Richard Daley, George W. Lippert, Conrad Moricand, Alfred DeMusset, Henri P. Petain, Jacqueline Onassis, Phil Donahue, Robert Gilruth, Glen Tetley, Anne Tyler, Shelly Winters, Beau Bridges, Sharon Tate, Natassja Kinski, Christopher Atkins, Mike Munkasey, Michael Erlewine, Admiral Robert E. Peary, Marie Osmond, Keith Moon, Sir Alec Guiness, Jonas Salk, Jack Kerouac, Paul Simon, Ferand Leger, Marguerite Duras, Robert Schumann, Sigmund Freud, Fred Astaire, Mistinguett, Jean-Paul Sartre, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, Bernard Pivot, Jane Fonda, Becky LeBeau, Debbie Gibson, Del Shannon, Eddie Rabbit, Emmylou Harris, Joan Baez, Peabo Bryson, Percy Sledge, Sting, Gene Clark."


        "CHIRON TRINE SATURN:
        This aspect can make a difficult childhood because one of the parents continually surprised the child. Just when the child thought s/he knew what was expected of him/her, the authority symbol would pull a rabbit out of a hat, and the child would have to change his/her mental picture. This also meant that the child had to change his/her own self-image, and his/her concepts of his/her own limits. The surprises could be good or bad---but were surprises because they came in some area that the child had felt secure in taking for granted. This experience can bring about a number of possible results. For some, there seems to be a very shaky self-image because s/he looks for a parent s/he can rely upon as stable. In this case the person grows up with basic insecurity, and may feel that other people have ‘the answers’ but that s/he may never find them. For others, there will come a powerful desire to seek a totally unchanging parent figure, such as a guru, or religious leader, or even a strict God-figure, to model themselves after---so that they can once again relax, and take for granted what ‘should be.’ And for still others, the choice is to integrate the concept of change into the self-image, and even enjoy it. For these, the world opens up as a place to explore and self-discovery becomes a great pleasure. This path also usually leads to the ability to get along with those in power because of an inner understanding and sympathy with them.
        EXAMPLES of people with Saturn trine Chiron:
        Dean Martin, Jack Sheldon, Steve McQueen, Anthony Armstrong-Jones, David St. Clair, Arturo Toscanini, Ingrid Bergman, Paul Anderson, Richard Boone, Gwendolyn Brooks, Yvonne Burke, William Casper, Lawton Chiles, John Connally, Bradford Dillman, Robert Haack, Cardinal John Krol, Carol Lawrence, Katherine Graham, Gustave Dore, Edouard Manet, Ernest Boulanger, Pierre Loti, Maxime Weygand, Paul Claudel, Marie Curie, C.G. Jung, Paul Choisnard, Morganna King, Arthur Miller, Octave Mirbeau, Chet Baker, Clyde McPhatter, Donny Osmond, Herbie Mann, Lena Horne, Lyle Lovett, Odetta, Petula Clark, Richard Harris."

        And a person with Chiron trine the Ascendant seems to have a gift for seeing a way to go 'around' the rules.


        • Re: Chiron

          07/29
          My chiron is also in Aries, in the 6th house. What does the 6th house work? Any other interesting Chiron info in relation to my chart on my profile page, if anyone care to av a look ....let me kno : )

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