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So in another thread I mentioned briefly a theory of mine about our sun signs and their natural opposite. My position was that we should see each zodiac sign not as one out of twelve, but rather as being one part of six axes. In reality then there are only six energies:
Aries - Libra: Independence /Inter-dependence
Taurus - Scorpio: Power, personal and shared. Submission and Domination.
Gemini - Sagittarius: Knowledge - Widely spread vs localised
Cancer - Capricorn: Parental Axis. Responsibility, work vs home.
Leo - Aquarius: Personal will vs Group will. Monarchy vs Democracy
Virgo-Pisces: Service, To another vs to all. Detail vs Imagination
My theory proceeds as follows. We are not a 'sun sign', one of twelve, we operate upon an axis and will do our best in that axis if we understand the opposite end of that spectrum, our opposing sign. If however, we don't fully utilise our sun-sign potential, we run the risk of 'falling' into the opposite sign, normally the worst traits of that sign.
Any ideas?
Aries - Libra: Independence /Inter-dependence
Taurus - Scorpio: Power, personal and shared. Submission and Domination.
Gemini - Sagittarius: Knowledge - Widely spread vs localised
Cancer - Capricorn: Parental Axis. Responsibility, work vs home.
Leo - Aquarius: Personal will vs Group will. Monarchy vs Democracy
Virgo-Pisces: Service, To another vs to all. Detail vs Imagination
My theory proceeds as follows. We are not a 'sun sign', one of twelve, we operate upon an axis and will do our best in that axis if we understand the opposite end of that spectrum, our opposing sign. If however, we don't fully utilise our sun-sign potential, we run the risk of 'falling' into the opposite sign, normally the worst traits of that sign.
Any ideas?
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Re: Falling From Grace
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 10:41 AMI sort of understand the six-axis concept. Will have to do some reading on that:) I agree that we should focus on the positive. I do find myself turning to the opposite sign. hmm never really thought of they way you are presenting it, I would just get soooo freaking tired of being THAT virgo.
The one thing that is hard to deal with is the temper!!! Mars in Scorpio. Imagination with anger does make for some colorful language though:) So trying to focus the power that is in these signs into a positive, while the moment is happening is strenuous. It appears to always be, I should have, or most recently, I shouldnt have.....
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Re: Falling From Grace
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 10:43 AMnot THE key but a tool for A key.
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Tue, October 6, 2009 - 11:22 PMHi.
Thank you for posting this again.
I have a question: what about when the person has planets in two opposing signs? For instance, Cancer Sun and Capricorn Moon? -
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Fri, October 9, 2009 - 2:42 AMthen you're all good ghostgirl, you should be pretty balanced.. -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 4:41 AMHi. Thanks for the response.
Actually I was concerned about... the confusion that having Sun and Moon in opposite signs might bring, when we consider what Paul is saying...
I could be disowning Cancer and expressing negative Capricorn traits, like maybe depression, callousness, materialism, and just attribute them to Capricorn Moon...
I have the idea that Sun/Moon in opposite signs is not relly about balance since Sun and Moon represent entirely different things... BUt I could be wrong...
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Re: Falling From Grace
Sun, October 25, 2009 - 11:06 PMImagine the conflicts,, or enhancements I experience with a Scorpio Sun,,and a Leo moonand Leo rising,, how does that ring with you Paul, any iput would be gratefully accepted.. -
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Re: Falling From Grace
Wed, October 28, 2009 - 11:05 AMHmm posts deleted, did I miss a sass session??
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:17 AMexcuse me Paul...
<Taurus - Scorpio: Power, personal and shared. Submission and Domination. >
SUBMISSION????
I understand the scorpio would rather die than submit, but this whole "theme" sounds much more appropriate for virgo sex. From what I have experienced with virgo's, they all like that sort of sex games. At least one thing's for sure: taureans are not submissive. And I repeat: taureans are not submissive. If you ever find one, you may put him / her in a museum.
OK, so now I'm going to click that "submit" button. -
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Re: Falling From Grace
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:32 AMthats right, no submission for scorpio or taurus
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 10:40 AMI hadn't meant sexually, but ok, point taken. I think the virgo comment was apt if you are meaning sexually.
Perhaps we need some scorps to sleep their eat thru the zodiac and make notes. Is it true what I've heard about those mars in Leo men? -
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Re: Falling From Grace
Tue, November 3, 2009 - 11:42 AMI wasn't thinking about sex either, at least not for scorpio - taurus.
What have you heard about mars in leo men? I've known one and he had a close resemblance to E.T. -
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 12:03 PMHe was short and wrinkley and kept wanting to go home? ;} -
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 1:49 PM"He was short and wrinkley and kept wanting to go home?"
Lol!
I'd love to see that in an astrology cookbook!
We're in a scorp tribe so no need for diplomacy, I heard mars in Leo men were well endowed. -
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Tue, November 3, 2009 - 3:53 PMi know some very hung taurans. ahem. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 3:15 AMFlint,, " I know some very hung taurans, ahem,",,,,, Ditto that on my part,, woo hoo!!
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 2:09 AM< I heard mars in Leo men were well endowed. >
I think they WISH they were. It seems to me big ones are evenly distributed all around the zodiac. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 2:30 AMI have a very simple rule: I look at a man's hands and especially the shape of their fingers. 9 times out of 10 this is a very accurate indication of the 11th finger. I learned this from a man, BTW. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 3:18 AMUnsu, I dated a Tauran Man with very small hands and feet, but it belied his well endowedness,, HOTT!! -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:02 AMLucky you, Miss. I hope he knew what to do with it?
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:05 AMBTW, if I remember well, this was a very serious thread about oppositions in astrology. Maybe it wasn't such a wise idea to have an item like that in the middle of Scorpio City? I would almost say Paul should refer to the taurus-scorpio axis as "sex vs sex". -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 4:11 AM"Maybe it wasn't such a wise idea to have an item like that in the middle of Scorpio City? I would almost say Paul should refer to the taurus-scorpio axis as "sex vs sex"."
Yeah it was meant to be a more serious discussion, but its gained more popularity when reduced to mindless smuttiness! Oh well!
Taurus - Scorpio axis still seems quite push and pull to me. Its more sensuality vs sexuality if anything. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 6:08 AMWhat about "desire" as a common theme? Isn't that basically where it all starts? A desire to have sensual pleasure versus a desire to experience power? -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 6:15 AMI think desire is at the heart of all the signs. Desire to know or to use or to balance etc etc. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 11:38 AM'Yeah it was meant to be a more serious discussion, but its gained more popularity when reduced to mindless smuttiness! Oh well! ''
this ain't the astrology tribe. Please lets not compare the two. -
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Wed, November 4, 2009 - 2:50 PMI have an issue with the Pisces / Virgo axis description.
Detail vs Imagination? It's more like Details vs Intuition. It's like the difference between using a Microscope (Virgo) and a Macro Lens (Pisces). Pisceans can look at the big picture, can see things from 1,000 feet up. Virgos press their noses against the microscope lens, then wonder why they can't see the entire subject! -
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Thu, November 5, 2009 - 5:37 PMI don't think Taurus's are submissive in the normal sense, but they are giving to a fault, until they start acting stubborn, that is. It does look like they're giving in, but they're just trying to charm you to get their way, Scorpios will do that too. And its like they don't wanna say anything until they're majorly pissed off. I think passive can describe them better.. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 3:24 PMAs a natal taurus, I can agree with "passive". As long as things go the way I prefer them to go, I keep my engine on 'energy saver mode'. But if things do NOT go the way I prefer them to go... you'll see bull in action. And yes, then I charm. But is it really MY fault that I always get what I want? -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 3:41 PMof course not. if there is a choice to be made, i prefer to make my own, in lieu of someone doing it for me. i guess i prefer to be at the head, or end, of the line. -
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Fri, November 6, 2009 - 4:58 PMevery time i see this post, i keep thinking of some woman named grace. -
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:09 AMFlint, "Everytime I see this post , I keep thinking of some woman named Grace.".
With the whole Scorpio, vs Taurus thing all comes down to a meeting of the minds, an agreement to disagree,, but keep it civil.. and find an equal ground to meet on.. and still appreciate each others dignity, honor respect. civility levels,,and share the best of each other to its fullest extent,, as I have done with at the very least, 2 Tauras Men,, one a Best Friend and the other an Ex BF.. AND it works for us all. -
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Sun, November 8, 2009 - 12:45 AMi think you are right on that. that bears out with a very good tauran friend of mine.
the picture: a huge, amazon of a woman, named grace, with a small man clinging to her breasticles, and losing his grip and falling off. falling from grace. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:21 AMFlint,, Thank you for the "Nod".. We all have fallen from Grace at some point in our lives,, but like the Phoenix,, have risen from the ashes to be risen again,, -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:27 AMi haven't fallen from grace, i was thrown from it with blunt compact collision, haha. -
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Mon, November 9, 2009 - 12:28 AMand pee on the malcontents that don't like me.
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Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:24 AMFlint, Amen to That Bwaa Haaa! -
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Re: the taurus scorpio axis
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:10 PMMy theory proceeds as follows. We are not a 'sun sign', one of twelve, we operate upon an axis and will do our best in that axis if we understand the opposite end of that spectrum, our opposing sign. If however, we don't fully utilise our sun-sign potential, we run the risk of 'falling' into the opposite sign, normally the worst traits of that sign. "
That's absolutely true
It's said we find our shadow or even our lesson, or what we're somehow lacking.. in the expression or manifestation of our opposite sign. So watch your opposies closely!! -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:15 PMyes, I meant opposies.. *wink wink* -
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:29 PMYeah, so I'm a Leo, I've learned from aquarius how to give back, not to be so ego driven. Aquarius needs to learn from me how to pay attention a bit more to the aspect of loving hisself. It's good to be for the team but the ego is important, seperating 'us' from Them. What makes us special that we can bring individually to the team??
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Sat, November 14, 2009 - 2:38 PMi have a leo friend that struggles with the ego thing. love her to death, but if she isn't driving the parade, she just isn't happy. -
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Re: the taurus scorpio axis
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 10:02 AMwell we are ruled by the sun.. I can take the back seat as long as I'm sure I'm not put there by someone else's thirst for power.. then I consider it a challenge. And a battle will have to ensue.
It's a Leo thang.. ha ha
Although upon further thought, I guess I am at my most happy when allowed to be creative. That's our thing creativity, and expression, so it's really more about being allowed to shine through, what exists before creation?? Nothing.. You have to be a leader to bring something into existence, right? If I don't have a outlet to be creative, or play a part in the story that allows me to be fully expressed, then I am considered a surly one. I don't want to take over, I just need to get all of this that is on the inside to come out.
So what happens is, people who are less creative or less expressive think that we're overdoing it and trying to take this role sometimes, when in actuality it's our god-given natal energy of abundant expression playing out.
Aaand other times we're just so used to being that way we get lazy and forget to create and just want to take the role.
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Re: the taurus scorpio axis
Mon, November 16, 2009 - 10:04 AMthats jives rather well with the leo makeups i know. Leo's generally love me, Aries want to put me in a bar b q.
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 10:37 PMFlint,,Leos love the barstool, baby spotlight and the microphone,,, the center stage/ atention,,,, I know this cuz I have leo Moon and Leo rising,, and it conflicts often with my Scorpio Sun,, I just live with it and try and learn from it ALL -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:32 PMhee hee. as i age, i try to understand that i do not also need to drive the delivery truck at all times. hmph! lol -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:35 PMi got to babysit the coolest little almost 2 year old aquarian boy tonite. i had such a good time. i had the best talk with him, and remembered how to catch flying babies. (he would launch himself off the couch, over my head, trusting that i would catch him. i learned something real important. be really aware, at the sign of a flying red ball. -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:39 PMi got a present i wanted today!
i got a home delivered salon hair cut. FINALLY, i have exactly what i want. Cant remember how many years its been since it was correct. Not only that, but i bought a years worth of haircuts in advance! haha! nothing could tickle me more. well, thats not quite correct, a certain young man could tickle me more, haha. Tonite, fresh henna! i decided that seeings how i have such a vast social network, i would just go for pleasing my vanity. And im real happy. hee hee -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:45 PMi turn 45 evil years old tomorrow at 10:32 -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:45 PMam.
and i have found, that to this day, i like to sleep in, to exactly that time. yawn.
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:47 PMLook out for them flying 2 yr olds.. better have a catcher's mitt,, He Hee,
Now when will we see you new coif and color,, Pics? soon?? -
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Mon, November 16, 2009 - 11:54 PMhee hee, maybe tomorrow night. -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 12:14 AMHappy Birthday Travis! -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 12:29 AMThank You, Mister Paul! -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 3:18 PMHappy Birthday Travis! =) -
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Tue, November 17, 2009 - 3:33 PM:) Thank you, Peekaboo!
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Wed, November 18, 2009 - 10:51 PMi iz shot an winkley, ans i gos home wit yew -
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Tue, November 24, 2009 - 9:18 AM" Flint,,Leos love the barstool, baby spotlight and the microphone,,, the center stage/ atention,,,, I know this cuz I have leo Moon and Leo rising,, and it conflicts often with my Scorpio Sun,, I just live with it and try and learn from it ALL "
that is so true!! although why do you think your Scorpio sun conflicts? they crave attention just as much.. who doesn't in their heart of hearts?? but leo's we deserve it, because we work for that, and we are skilled at creating such an atmosphere..
That is our gift, not our detriment, thank you very much.. We light up rooms and bring the life and sunshine, what's the problem here??
Would you go outside if the sunshine did not beckon you children??
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Re: Falling From Grace
Wed, November 25, 2009 - 2:01 AMI think you have a GREAT point here!! For myself, I am really attracted to Taureans, a lot of my friends are and a lot of guys that I've dated have been a Taurus. I like their stability and stubborn streak, its comforting and challenging! I was pretty much sad when I first saw my birth chart and realized I have nothing in Taurus. HA
