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is it a natural thing to wait until you are older to be married or is it a thing constantly on your mind. i find it interestngto have one scoprio who is obsessed with finding somone to marry and another who doesnt neccesarrily care
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Re: scorpios and settling down
Mon, March 19, 2007 - 7:00 AMIts the SENSIBLE thing to wait until you're older. I got married at 21, had a family and never really tasted life. I was happy enough until I reached my late 30's then realised how much I had missed out on. Everyone is different but realistically if you get married young you won't have dated many men and settling for the first one you think you've fallen in love with is not a good idea. I wouldn't say I was obsessed with getting married, more it seemed like a good idea at the time as I was happy - my feelings on the subject now are DON'T DO IT!! :o)
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 9:05 AMno one should marry, ever, no matter what age ...it's a huge mistake ... -
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 1:48 PMHeh. Bitter, are we, AnanDo? ;}
I like the idea of marriage, but I'm not sure if I can handle sharing myself in ways that married people do. I hope to have something like it someday! I don't know if I'd call it "settling down" though. I think it would be shaking me up!
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 3:43 PMbitter ? maybe but I see SO many marriages crumbling at all levels of society and it just seems to make sense that it's an old outdated and risky stunt ...
nothing wrong with just living with someone for awhile ...
no need to make it legally binding where you lose everything and incur legal fees when the other person decides they dont want you anymore or etcetra ... -
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 3:25 PMI'm bitter! It's a stupid institution that should be outlawed or at least a high age limit put on it! A piece of paper binding you to one person for the rest of your days when the human race isn't monogamus at the best of times? What's that all about?! No point citing 'well you can divorce' because there's no point getting married in the first place.
The only thing shared in my marriage is our children. Our finances have always been totally separate, mainly because my husband is a tight git and I always had to work because he never wanted to buy anything - I only took time off to have the kids. My money is my money. I am 100% financially independant from him so I do not need to lean on him for anything and if he should ever leave me I am not going to be in the situation where I won't be able to cope. I am as free now as I was before I got married and I won't change that.
Being a couple doesn't mean being shackled together for everything. I wish I had worked this stuff out when I was younger and not get married and live separately from a man. I hate it when my husband wants me to do something because he's too lazy to and when I refuse, which is pretty much all the time these days, he always says 'But you're my wife!' - like that's going to make a difference. Wife maybe, skivvy never.
Nowadays - at least here in the UK, you can still lose everything and incur legal fees without being married - the whole live together thing is a mine field. We should be like hamsters, live apart and only get together to have sex. I'd like my husband more if he lived three doors (at least!) away!!!
As I get older I like being on my own and hate being crowded by anyone needy but that seems to be par for the course at the moment. -
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Tue, September 11, 2007 - 6:43 PMMay I ask what sign is your man? And did you have this in mind when you did get married at 21?
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Tue, March 20, 2007 - 7:59 PMI'm with Anando on this one. As much as I'd like to get hitched, it's not the instition it once was. I have no faith in it.
I don't think astrology has that much bearing on when someone gets married. Unless you wanna talk about the Archer..the bachelor of the zodiac. Just kidding.
Why get married though? The current world does not require it. It's good for tax purposes, it's a double edged sword. It can be good financially or devastating. -
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Tue, March 20, 2007 - 9:40 PMIt has always been the same. Just in the past if one was miserable, being abused, with an ax murder, etc. divorce was still out of the question.
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 7:39 PMArcher the bachelor of the zodiac? One ~very~ common description of Virgo in astrology books is the bachelor of the zodiac =p...
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 9:40 AMI was in a 13 year successful marriage when cancer took my mate. and we were friends for many years before that, marriage worked fine for me. Marriage on paper means nothing except access to your mate while they die in the hospital. But marriage between peers is quite possible, and happens. Marriage doesnt work out for most because they cannot commit to themselves, truly for 5 years, so why would they do better with a mate? -
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 1:45 PMTravis well said.
Here's the way I see it - and it's just how I see it - if u don't fine...I don't think marriage means you have met your soulmate, the one person that absolutely undoubtely is meant to be with you - no.
I think there are a few people out there that you can genuinely love, why? Because you choose to. You make a commitment to love that person and you WANT to even on days that suck or on days when you just wish you could be alone.
Now, before I make this sound like a ball and chain thing again, it's not, it's a choice - one you make every day even if you don't consciously remember that.
You fall in love with the person, not the institution of marriage and as Travis said, what does marriage really afford you - the ability to see someone in the hospital?
Marriage can work but it's not even about marriage - I mean - damn - except for MA - Same Sex marriage is not allowed or recognized in the states right?
So, does that mean all same sex couples are doomed? Ha - no - damn - no.
But then what keeps them together? If there is no piece of paper?
What makes them stay if their partner gets sick or they get sick?
Commitment, choice, love a whole plethora of things but not a piece of paper.
It helps maybe to have that piece of paper - legally - but ONLY bc our society has made that so - true "marriage" is with someone you know in your soul you want to be with no matter what.
It's courage.
When we finally leave this so called life, it isn't going to matter if you were married "legally" or not.
What's going to matter is if you loved another and were able to be loved by another.
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 1:58 PMKat- you touched me very deeply. I could not have articulated like you have, thank you. i havent dated since then, and i feel like no one gets what our relationship was about- but you nailed it on the head. My spirit and heart thank you. and i meant the hospital thing- its the pitts to find out your husband is really dying fast, when the family shows up at the airport with no warning. i had no legal right to know how close to death he was. it was my right to hold his hand as he left. and i dont know what to do with that anger, except not think about it much. sorry i went gushy on ya there a minute, you just hit the nail on the head. Travis -
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 12:21 PMya know...maybe when it comes down to it legal marriage is simply giving someone the legal right to care for them and hold them when they can't stand up for that bond.
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 8:22 PMIn the US, you have the right to execute a living will and name any person of your choice as your proxy decision maker. Hospitals and doctors are pretty strictly obliged to honor them. -
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 8:23 PMI feel for you, Travis. How long ago did you lose him?
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 8:25 PMyeah, steve, i found out some of those details a bit late. i enforced it in enouph time for them to call me first from the hospital. It will be two years at the end of may. Thanks.
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 8:25 PMbut can everyone afford to get them? -
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 8:33 PMIt cheap and easy, if but more people knew about it. The form is about 2-4$ plus the cost of a notary. usually banks have them.
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 1:16 PMits understandable to want to couple. to want to have a companion.
us cancers crave that, but marriage is a commitement that involves more than love and companionship. kay?
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Mon, March 19, 2007 - 5:05 PMA storybook marriage is ideal if it's even attainable. So until I see some tangible proof of that fact, I'm keeping my options open. But even if I get tied down, it's not like I'll keep the world's girls from knowing the sex incarnate that is me.
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Wed, March 21, 2007 - 9:38 PMWhy do people talk of having faith in an 'institution". That certainly won't save you or hold your relationship together. What about faith in you, or love, or sacred union? Marriage like everything else is what you make it. I guess if you've done the work on yourself you're more likely to meet and join with a partner with whom you'll live your true destiny or higher purpose and I could see that lasting . But not because you were married, even if you were. People get lazy in their relationship and then say ..Oh marriage didn't work. Well it sure ain't for everyone, but that's the beauty of life - choice & variety. We all get a turn to do it the way we see fit. Daily. -
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 12:39 AMThe institution and reality of marriage is, or can be at least, wonderful. I have to cede to Seinfeld here though, in that I can't really comprehend two people being so well suited and certain that they want to spend the rest of their lives together, occurring more than a few times a century. Personally I decided at 14 I did not want to get married, exception allowed for a cocktail waitress at 2 in the morning with Elvis presiding at a tacky 24hr chapel in Vegas somewhere near the end of a serious bender that started on a different continent. Sadly my hopes of marriage ended recently with Las Vegas ordinance restricting the opening hours of chapels in Vegas.
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 12:27 AM>>i find it interestngto have one scoprio who is obsessed with finding somone to marry and another who doesnt neccesarrily care<<
For starters, look at what house the scorpio (sun?) is in, then look at how it may be aspected by the moon and planets. No two "scorpios" are alike.
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Wed, August 15, 2007 - 10:10 AMMarriage is a tricky thing. I know people who jump in and out like it's nothing, leaves a lot to be said about the REASONS. I haven't really thought about it. I basically like companionship. I lived with someone once. It was okay at first, but then I think we both took advantage of each other.. SCARY STUFF... We're still friends, I moved out.. that was a great lesson, but MARRIAGE, I don't know.. That's heavy... I'll take friendship and closeness, and respect.
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 11:40 AMI'd rather wait. I have too many ambitions to think about.
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 3:09 PMWell this Scorpio is obsessed about it, but that's any aspect in my life. I knew all my life i wanted to get married and once, but I aso said I was not going to settle until i felt it to be right! I can't give you a list nor am I getting ready at nights to hit the town in hopes to meet the one, or maybe run in to him at the bank. not obsessed like that, but obsessed in "he's got to be the one everyones fair game" I just want a life long love, I prepare myself by stablizing my life (working, building credit, being a good companion to friends, not slutty around) and by checking my integrity. So yeah I'm obsessed, but he'll come around and he'll be happy he ran into me :) But hey some are in and out of marriages, some never think about it and some say never. Every one has different views.
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 5:48 PMWhen you feel it, you know. And we're all different creatures. I've always been the solitary type....although having a mate would be nice, I'm not keen on the 'settling down' part. -
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 8:05 PMthe reason why marriage isnt popular anymore is because western society is filled with dysfunctional, psychotic people and the number increases every year. and it seems that some of the posts here prove that people today to are TOO DAMN SELF-OBSESSED to care about another person enough to put forth the effort and WORK it takes to make a relationship work. one of you said we should be like hamsters and live away from each other except to have sex. WHAT KINDA TWISTED SHIT IS THAT? YOU SOUND LIKE A GEMINI! THIS is a Scorpio forum remember? I woulda thought Scorpions believed in something deeper than all this shallow shit. Maybe its just my Pisces talkin, but I BELIEVE in marriage even at a time when collective society is wiping their fucking asses with it! I want nothing more than to find love and live forever with ONE person. I aim the keep the ideal alive!
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Tue, August 21, 2007 - 11:03 PMI agree with Brandon completely. I think many people marry other people who they are not really compatible with in the first place, regardless of how much you work on the relationship. I duno, I can always see the problems in my relationships way before they ever come into play, maybe most people are blind to that.
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Wed, August 22, 2007 - 6:19 AMi don't think it is fair to judge other peoples marriages without being in them.
i think there is a lot of divorce today because people don't believe anymore in sticking in a dead relationship. People want more. -
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Wed, August 22, 2007 - 6:59 AMThat's the problem sugar - people want M O R E ... it's never enough ... more more more ... a rapid means to a bitter painful lost control of your bowels end ...
Modern satanism - greed vanity shallowness ....
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 11:26 AMwell you look at it that way. I just think people are not willing to settle for less.
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Wed, August 22, 2007 - 8:18 AMWell, this is a forum, if you can't handle hearing other people's opinions, maybe you shouldn't read forums..... -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 11:55 AMso you are saying you can't handle my opinion?
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 1:51 PMIt's not a matter of opinion, if two people are in a dead relationship, obviously they were not compatible in the first place.
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 1:56 PMmy point is, i'm not in the marriage so i can't JUDGE, isn't that obvious.
they were obviously compatible at one point, there are MANY factors to not being compatible anymore -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 8:35 PMI can definitely see something else that is obvious............................
Also- there is no "compatible at one point", either you are compatible to begin with or you're not. People are just 1.) too blinded by love in the beginning to see that they are not compatible 2.) too stupid to even analyze the fact that they are compatible or not. or 3.) one or both acts like they are somebody they are not in the beginning of a relationship, then reveals their true nature later on.
People just get stuck in relationships (and marriages), because they feel comfortable, and seem to think they can "work out" their problems, when the majority of the time, all they are doing is wasting time because they end up going separate ways in the end anyways. Possibly, a lot of people just never bother to look at the underlying nature of their partner, all they see is the superficial. I over-analyze people I'm close to, therefore maybe that's why I am able to know what problems are going to arise beforehand. -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 7:54 AMthats funny everyone i talk to who is divorced has discussed how they GREW APART and not just love wears off and OOOPS i don't like you, we are not compatible.
you say you over-analyze people but you seem to know nothing about people or relationships if you did you wouldn't be so black and white about things.
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 12:46 PMWhat you say makes no logical sense. People grow apart for various reasons, the fact that love wears off is one of those various reasons, not the only one, mind you, but one of many. Being compatible doesn't just happen, it goes back to the beginning of the entire relationship, you don't just become no-longer compatible with someone. It's there from the beginning, it has to do with the underlying inherent natures of both people, it's just that most people don't ever bother to look that far into others, therefore they don't even recognize it until it is too late.
Obviously I know more than a lot of certain people about people and relationships or I wouldn't be counseling others on a day to day basis on the subject...... Also, I don't see anything "black and white", I'm not sure why you are trying to read into things I say and then label them as something, but so far everything you do, you are completely off. Try using an objective state sometimes Sugar, you may find it helps you to see things more clearly?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but nowhere did I say marriage is a simple thing..... I agree that it is complex, however I think people make it way more complex than it needs to be by trying so hard to make something work that was not destined to to begin with. -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 2:24 PMoh so this makes sense. you tell people this shit to KEEP IN BUSINESS.
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Sat, August 25, 2007 - 10:33 AMso you won't agree or disagree with what i said.
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 12:16 AMHonestly, I am bored with talking with you.
Go work on evolving instead of bashing.
I hope you have a wonderful day, and I mean that non-sarcastically.
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 5:48 PMI think I like the point Brandond is making (if I got it right) about the seemingly rampant lack of interest in making a relationship work and all that goes along with making a choice to do so. I can agree almost completely. Personally, I am ready to make the effort, but honestly I don't want the whole 'marriage' thing. I don't require it or even crave it. What I do long for is a certain, solid, honest, and loyal relationship that goes far deeper than what seems to be the typical and modern perception of a marriage. Not to knock anyone's choice to be married, I just think there's a helluva lot more to it than just a wedding and a piece of paper and a religious ceremony. And, personally, I don't need that part of it to feel it.
And, to stick to my earlier comment about not being keen on the 'settling down' part; I just don't ever want to be a stick in the mud. There will be very little 'settling down' in my life. I want action.
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Wed, August 22, 2007 - 9:36 PMDaaayum Brandon
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 11:04 AMlol Scorpio kitten, am I too "intense" for ya? hahaha -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 6:13 PMGosh Darn!!!! First of all, I am Scorpio all the way, add an Aires moon and pisces rising. What does that make me??? Hmmmm, self analysis...A passionate, vindictive, possessive, sex mad fiery wishy washy dreamer??? LOL Secondly, It is my fate that I found this group and I just wanted to say that you all make me want and feel easy with being honest and open. I don't express my soul to anyone like this. What is that you say...Daaayum? LOL Now, marriage....jeeeeze...I love marriage, most of all like the concept of it. I was supposed to marry my childhood sweetheart, have a big Catholic wedding, children, never look or think about anyone else yadda yadda yadda....It didn't work out that way. The first marriage was violent, lasted three years, 2nd marriage, great friendship but no children and no passion(ended on a friendly note) 3rd marriage Gosh darn what's that word again(daaayummmm) sh*t!!! Ok, I'm 43 now and I found my soul mate. Yikes!!!!! How in the H E DOUBLE toothpicks can I throw in the towel now? I feel that I have learned alot since my first marriage of 17 and I am evolved. I would marry the love of my life tomorrow if I wasn't going through a divorce. God Help me!!!! I'm pathetic.LOL LOL -
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 11:10 PMthe trouble with us humans is we all want what we dont have. And these days there is just way too much to be had.. so we just want more and more and more. Its never ending.
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Thu, August 23, 2007 - 11:35 PMCompletely agree with Tiff N -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 6:36 AMuh Smelkstar....thats a cop out: "us humans want what we don't have and today there's just too much to be had" This may be true but it is also a large generalization and a stamp on mankind. You make it sound like its THAT way and theres nothing to be done about it. Well, people have a CHOICE whether they want to make the concious effort to be happy with what they have (within reason) or not. Again it all goes back to the fact that many people seem to take the easiest route. I personally try to distance myself from the human sheep herd as much as possible when I see them headed for a cliff. If more people listened to their own soul instead of mass society's sick and empty soul then I dont think the world would be as shitty as it has become in this modern age.
and IceStormRed, I agree with you when you say there's a helluva lot more to a deep bonding than a piece of paper and a religious ceremony. However, I think if you are married it puts the mindset in the involved peoples head. Not always but if you are just "in a relationship" then it makes it easier to just walk away when hard times come to test you.
and I'll say this....I believe you can have a deep meaningful monogamous relationship without marriage just like a person can have a strong moral compass without a religious or spiritual background.....BUT both are rare and seem highly unlikely. -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 12:54 PMI agree with Brandon. I think many people are just inherently shallow and only focus on the outside and the material aspects of life, and themselves. Then they sit around wondering why they are so unhappy in their marriage, partnership, etc. Most people do take the easiest route in life, and a lot of the time it is because they are not evolved enough to even acknowledge that there is an alternative. It's a sad thing but what can you do? You can't force people to open their eyes when they think they are perfectly content being blind. They have to come to a realization and accomplish that themselves. -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 1:59 PMThanx Tiff N, its nice to see someone who agrees with me every know and then LOL
"The Scorpio man has a tendency to provoke and unnerve almost everyone he comes into contact with" - Sextrology by Starsky and Cox -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 2:29 PMI agree with you Brandon, I was wondering if this "soul mate" thing doesn't work out that maybe you might want to hook up LOL *wink* -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 6:32 PMBrandon i wasnt saying it to condone human behaviour, infact i think the opposite. I think that it is the problem. I think we all spend time longing for something that we dont have instead of seeing what we do. I've spent my life chasing freedom and experience, but have discovered that it is an never ending quest and doesnt necesarily take you to where you thought it would, infact it has brought me right back to what i had in the beginning, as it turned out to be what i really wanted. I just think in these days where everything is available to us, we are too impatient, too quick to give up, and too disposable with other human beings. Im not married and Im not sure I ever will get married, but giving the time and the space to another human being - to be everything they are good and bad - and they do the same for me - is an experience that is changing my whole perspective in life. -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 6:45 PMwell, Bobbi, if you want to try your luck with a young Scorpion cat feel free lol but I'll warn ya, I aint an easy man to live with hahaha
and smelkstar, I agree with your analysis of human behavior in this unfortunate modern age. But, regardless of whether thats how it is or not, we still have a CHOICE. A choice to not follow the crowd. A choice to listen to our own hearts. If everyone is taking the easy way, it doesn't mean we as individuals have to. Nothing worth having comes easy, and nothing, to me, is more worth having than a committed loving soul-binding relationship, marriage or not. -
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Fri, August 24, 2007 - 8:05 PMAhhh, you don't scare me Brandon. Scorpion Cat myself. I have both of them as pets. And as far as youth goes....I believe that you have an old soul.... *wink wink*
Seriously, though...I value your input here *smile* :) :) :)
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Sat, August 25, 2007 - 1:06 AMNot only is marriage a tricky thing, but this thread has become *(&)*(@#
(WHAT THE *&%() :)
It goes without saying that there are some exceptions where I think that marriages should end (abuse--physical or mental, molestation, psych disorders, etc..) You can marry someone and THEY CAN in TURN present to you, a whole other TOTALLY DIFFERENT person than the person you've married.. That is a FACT....
I'm not saying head for the hills when things go wrong, but married people have to make some MAJOR decisions during these times, and I don't think we can sum it all up or judge it inside of a thread...
For minor issues, I agree, A LOT of people give up QUICKLY.. Some problems in marriage probably can be helped with the aid of an outside person(s)... People no longer want to persevere and endure. Marriage is indeed about being selfless and honoring that person sometimes above your self. Working at staying together and not so much as to seek a certain goal but being content with loving that other person with all their faults and failures.. BUT
Unfortunately, the majority of these "it's all about me" PEOPLE view divorce as, a safety harness, the great escape, the ever rotating door, ....Point is, it is the fastest safest sometimes cheapest way OUT thus perpetuating the decline of the institution.
It seems to me the best way to avoid a lot of heartache, misery, and strife is to truly take some TIME out to get to know the other person (maybe as a friend first)..Don't make the automatic assumption that the person you've just met, is YOUR life long soulmate. And more importantly, don't confuse sex, lust, and excitement with trust, love, and respect...
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Sat, August 25, 2007 - 11:12 AMI hear what you are saying SK, but shouldn't it be "all about me" to some extent? I've seen so many people, including myself, loose themselves to make someone else happy, Give up their passion, control, wipe out their whole idenity and become the other person. Marriage should be balanced. What is a soule mate anyway? ...and that should be another thread but when two people are united through the mind, body and soul, paper means nothing and when two people are sailing along through life, trying to make it work and it's not working because there is absolutely no balance and someone comes into your life mind, body and soulwise, what do you do? I think everyone marriys with good intent. But when that day comes that you realize that you are living with a stranger, who are you now? Now, that you have lived your life all about the stranger and have totally lost yourself, how do you give yourself if you have no self and you have become the stranger. I believe that self love is the most important factor in any relationship. I'm not saying "all about me" in a greedy or selfish way but one should know what they want out of the relationship right from the beginning and communicate that. Unfortunately, we get caught up in the romance and big picture of the family scene and think we can wing it along the way and when it becomes broken, we think we can fix it. I never believed in the "soul mate" scenerio until I connected to mine and no one could ever possibly imagine the experience until it happens nor could it ever be explained . That's all for now... -
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Sat, August 25, 2007 - 11:16 AMmarriage is a bad idea , period ...
don't do it ...
just say no ...
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Sat, August 25, 2007 - 5:20 PMThe idea of marriage sounds wonderful in itself. Therefore, we got to look at the reasons it is failing in todays world and this opens a plethora of issues that I won't even begin to discuss here. But overall, I believe marriage and the nuclear family are EXTREMELY important pillars of any semi-civilized society and the values they encourage cannot be found elsewhere.
and yeah Anando, I understand your nihilism. Sounds like myself alot of the time. However, I refuse to give up on marriage, at least for myself. Gotta have something to believe in even if it seems hopeless and impossible.
Bobbi, I agree with ya that self love is a very important aspect of any relationship because without it you lose your identity. Seems like us water signs struggle a bit with that lol. anyhow, I also believe in a complete and total blending of two souls, like two halves coming together to create one beautiful whole. Its SELF OBSESSION that I despise, the idea that I am the only one who matters and I deserve PERFECTION. That kinda attitude leads to an emotionally detached state of being where nothing matters except a persons own shallow gratification. A relationship cannot endure an evil of that caliber. -
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Re: scorpios and settling down
Sun, August 26, 2007 - 12:13 AMDo I love having Venus conjuct North Node in Taurus....9th house.... Why does it matter if there is paper or if there isn't? I sometimes think that an institution of some sort... really shows your willingness to sacrfice to the unknown.
Divorce? Why even get married in the first place.... If I can find that one who doesn't yell at me when I leave the toliet seat up.... she has stolen my heart! I know that is LOVE... because I can be accepted for my own personal flaws.... and would hope it would go both ways also. -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 12:33 AMQuick question..... don't you make your own reality? Where does the faith of the institution come from? A piece of paper? or the two persons? -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 12:59 AMAllan -- the two people. But I think that's why this thread has grown so (in comparison with the world), someone always seems to feel slighted..
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 12:52 AMBobbi-- I agree "all about me" is good....then, just don't get married. -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 6:35 AMyeah Allan, it really is about two people. but, I dunno about anyone else in this strange and twisted world, but for me, it seems to be a great thing that if you already have a great relationship, to say "I am MARRIED" and say it with the pride of knowing you have something spiritual and sacred and higher than any material concerns to strive for.
and SK, I think you missed Bobbi's point lol
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 6:51 AMi know of a few who wants someone to marry and then wants someone on the side.. hehhe
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 7:33 AMyeah, and anyone who wants that deserves to be brutally tortured, followed by a painful, miserable, excruciatingly horrible DEATH hahahahaha
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 8:18 AMI've just been through this! I've been trying to tell myself these days that it's not ok to feel this way. Thanks for sharing, I'm feeling a bit normal now.LOL LOL -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 11:05 AMyou've just been through a relationship where they didnt want only you? -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 3:07 PMYeah, he's been cheating on me for 15 years and before that. Many many women! :( I'm so naive. Had a hunch on one afair two years ago. Now the truth is all comming out. I feel like an idiot. LOL I still believe in love though. :) -
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Sun, August 26, 2007 - 4:51 PMaww damn. I feel for ya. makes me wanna hug ya, really. lol yer a tuff woman tho, still believin in love, I admire that. ;) -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:00 AMBobbi, had no idea you'd been through the run of the mill. Know that you are STRONG!! Cheating always HURTS someone. But see now I'm curious, your situation is a prime example. If you knew, why'd you stay if you hurt so much?? Honestly, do tell..
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:02 AMBobbi, was it because of the vows you made? Or, was it bcuz you didn't want to lose? Or neither, gosh I'm such a Scorpio.. always curious.. -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 6:02 PMwell, Scorpio kitten, what if GOD is like me? hahahaha -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 6:04 PMon second thought, God probly isn't like me, because if He were, shallowness wouldn't exist. -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 6:04 PMand neither would cheating in relationships. -
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 6:55 PMHey Sk,
I didn't know. For 13 years, I thought the marriage was perfect. He did his thing, I did mine, I stayed home and took care of his 3 babies. He worked late alot but I thought nothing of it. Then about two years ago, he started wanting to go out with his guy friends. It started a once in awhile thing and he started drinking and buying guns(which I absolutely hate) He started doing all the things he never did and knew I hated. It started getting later and later and more frequent that he would come home. I never met his friends and asked why I couldn't go. He said that I didn't need to go out with the guys, it was a guy thing. Then one night a woman called my house at 2 in the morning. I ansered the phone. She said that she met him at a dance place and he told her that he was single, didn't have a girlfriend and to give him a call. He denied the whole thing and said he didn't know who she was. I was devistated and shocked. He told me I was making a big deal. Then about 6 months later, he came home at 9:00 in the morning and told me he slept on a woman't couch but didn't do anything. I had to see a therapist, had a panic attack. I was mentally abused and wasn't allowed to discuss it. He had me convinced that I had obsessive problems. I didn't know whether to believe him or not. Thought it was me. The therapist gave me a drug called ativan. My problems went away and he started taking me out with his friends. I got alot of attention and he didn't like it. He started getting violent, drinking at home, not speaking to me and finally one day I put a restraining order on him. It was after I did that that people started telling me stories of all the women including his ex wife before we were even married. I really believed in my marriage but it was affecting my mental stability. He had 20 guns in my house and said that he would kill me if I ever tried to leave him. I never even thought of looking at anyone else. Didn't have any friends. I just sat in the house for 15 years and did crafts, gardening and took care of my kids. He didn't like it if anything was out of place or anything. Anyway, the whole thing ended up a lie. He has a girlfriend already even though he says he's devistated and wants to come back. He also never spent a dime on me on my kids unless we absolutely needed something. He makes real good money. I never complained, I just figured that if he was happy then we would be happy. I lost myself, my worth, my passion and my power. I took it back the day I went to court and here I am, slightly broken but I'll be fine. Thanks for asking. I may seem bitter sometimes but I'm soaring higher and higher every day :)
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Tue, August 28, 2007 - 7:45 PMdamn damn thats quite the story there. I felt anger, sorrow, and sadness while I was reading it. I mean here that piece of shit had a wonderful woman who wanted only him, and what does he do? SCREWS HER OVER! ARRRRRRRRRG. THE BLINDING RAGE! lol you have no idea how many times I've wished for a woman who would love me like that. and yeah, Bobbi, I agree, bad relationships can be harmful to us Scorps' mental health. I went thru a relationship that caused psychological problems for me as well.
and bein the outspoken opinionated creature I am lol I gotta say, I hate the idea of GUNS but since they're are here, you must have them to protect yourself.
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 5:01 AM"Show a Scorpio your pain, and they will do anything for you"
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 5:59 AMwell, it depends on how much you are trusted in the first place, and the nature of your pain, but if you have a genuine problem or are hurt deeply, nothing can move us more. -
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 11:45 PMBobbi, (BIG HUG)
I would say I am sorry for you, but I am not. F*)&&* him...I'm glad it's over too.. Your situation is a prime example for our thread.. It goes back to what I was saying about the suffering (mental/physical abuse) and the reasons some marriages should end..
My mom was abused a little too, and I know it stayed with her. Sometimes (being younger) we think we have all the answers. I couldn't figure out why my mom let it fester into hate, especially when I thought she loved him... Anyway,..
Thanks so much for sharing!! There are some key things that you mentioned in your relationship where I started to see things shifting. The drinking, the guns, the staying out late, the friends you never see, all things that I and I'm sure other people who've read your testimony will remember... I will say though that this shift happens as boyfriend/girlfriend as well and you can't figure out where it went wrong..
The girl calling your home, now that's a whole other story.. That is so freaking disrespectful..and I can not believe that HE PUT YOU THROUGH ALL OF THAT!! He is such a LOSER! The fact that you're opening up and talking about it says A LOT. {{{It WASN"T YOU}}} "Obsessive Problems" puhleeze, you were his wife and he your husband..IF I can't obsess and care about my husband, why would I do it.. I don't know about the prescription "drugs", I just think you were suffering from lack of TLC..
You are truly a beautiful person to have endured all of that and still come out on top.. but then again, you're a Scorpio, we're transformers (smile)
All that I can say is, forget about the past, look to the future, live everyday like it's your last, (take care of your babies), in other words live it up, IT"S YOUR LIFE!!!!!
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Wed, August 29, 2007 - 11:50 PMYeah Brandon, she truly is beautiful, but, it's his loss...I felt all of those emotions too, I had to read it several times...
We are suckers for pain... I know I am. I don't like to see good people get hurt.. NOt saying I like to see bad people hurt, but I just feel an innate desire to want to help good people.. I dunno..
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 12:55 AMyo bobbi.. i read your story.. that scumbag did a very ugly thing.. especialy blocking your freedom of movment and lying.. and also the rest of the things..
i think he deserves a bitchslap..
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 9:22 AMYou guys are making me cry, in a happy way :) I'm so glad I found this board and that you asked. It was good to get that out and have someone understand. I dunno...somehow the last 15 years of my life has made me a better person. I guess I can thank him for that much and I would never in a million years trade my heart that is capable of the endless emotions for a emotionless unattatchable heart like his. I don't think he has ever or will ever experience true love like we can and I feel sorry for him in that manner. -
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 9:32 AMahh.. this is what i love about the scorpio tribe.. big community that supports one another.. and understand one another.. its fun..
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Thu, August 30, 2007 - 10:06 AM*smile* and on a vengeful note...He has a girlfirend now whom he met in the "anger management" class I asked the judge to send him to. LOL So one order of bitchslap comming up...LOL Karma, gotta love it.
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