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    Re: 101 Things to do When you Can't Sleep

    Tue, February 17, 2009 - 11:13 PM
    -1. Think of everything I need to get done at work today after being away for the weekend and playing hooky on Tuesday.
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      Tue, February 17, 2009 - 11:14 PM
      listen to omar
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        Wed, February 18, 2009 - 12:06 AM
        -3. Read my Horoscope :-D
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          Fri, February 20, 2009 - 12:19 AM
          -4. Wonder whatever happened to global warming while it's snowing and the temperature, with wind chill,
          is 9 degrees.
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            Wed, February 25, 2009 - 8:56 PM
            say Blue Jane as a mantra, 101 times in a row. If not, repeat eternally.
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              Wed, February 25, 2009 - 9:01 PM
              Why cantcha sleep blue jayne?
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                Thu, February 26, 2009 - 11:52 AM
                Strategies that might help you if you can't sleep:

                1. The Container

                The container is about imagining some sort of container that is big enough, and strong enough, to hold whatever you might ever need to put in it. One stipulation is that it shouldn’t be something that you see all the time in your day as you may be getting a constant reminder of what you are trying to forget (for the time-being). It can be made of any material and can be any colour. It can be helpful to have some sort of door or lid to keep what ever you put in there safe inside. It may need a lock of some sort. Examples could be a warehouse, a safe or vault, a big box, or plastic container.

                To use, or access, your container when you need it, it is helpful to have a really clear picture of it first (drawing it can help). You might picture the items you would like to go into your container individually being placed inside. You might just get a felt sense of it being set aside and placed into the container. Some people like to have some sort of animation to help take the items into the container such as a pack man motion or some sort of suction.

                Now, an important idea pertaining to the Container is that you are not trying to make the things you place into it disappear or say that they are not important. It is about setting things aside and coming back to them at a later time when you can better deal with them such as in ournaling, talking to a friend, or ournaling about it at home.

                Sometimes it is helpful to have some sort of nozzle or valve on the container so that you can more easily be in control of what comes out when it is time to take something out.


                2. The Safe Place

                The Safe Place is a very common therapeutic strategy and is a useful tool for many. I originally learned of the ‘safe place’ in relation to working with sexual abuse survivors. However, as the years have progressed, I have found that this tool is very useful for anyone. Again, this strategy utilizes our minds by using imagery to help calm the body and the mind.

                The safe place works by closing your eyes and imagining yourself in a place (which can be real or imaginary). When you imagine yourself in this place, you feel better. It can be any place at all that you find soothing and comforting. Some people call this place a relaxation place or a happy place. It is helpful if there are not people who are currently a part of your life in your safe place because if that relationship were to ever go sour for a time, it would affect your safe place.

                The safe place can be somewhere you have been, a place that you liked when you were a kid, a place you have always dreamed of going, or maybe its an imaginary place such as somewhere in outer space. It is helpful to notice all the colours that are there, the sounds, the smells, the objects. The clearer the image is for you, it will easier it will be for you to access it and to use it when you need it.

                Imagine yourself in this place and notice how it makes you feel. Do you feel calm, more relaxed, at peace? Whatever the feeling is, notice also where you can feel it in your body.

                Allow yourself to stay there as long as you need to calm yourself.
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                  Thu, February 26, 2009 - 3:35 PM
                  "The safe Place"
                  ***************

                  I never called my place this but sometimes I would close my eyes, imagine myself
                  in a hammock, on the beach, with the blue, blue caribbean laid out before me. The
                  sun hot on my skin, a warm breeze blowing and gently rocking the hammock.

                  This would sometimes help lull me.
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                Fri, February 27, 2009 - 12:52 AM
                Blue Jane can sleep exactly 320 minutes at any time the unit needs to shut down, or otherwise become motionless and in operable. For example, i could fall asleep right this second. I was making a suggestion for the approved miss that began this thing you call thread. (z).
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                  Fri, February 27, 2009 - 1:02 AM
                  NOD
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                      Re: 101 Things to do When you Can't Sleep

                      Fri, February 27, 2009 - 4:42 AM
                      Fuck off Fear
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                          Fri, February 27, 2009 - 5:16 AM
                          Nah, you are so fucking desperate that you will just
                          keep creating alt after alt after alt and accuse others
                          of doing what you, albeit very poorly, do on a daily basis.
                          Introduction
                          'Anyone can speak Troll,' said Fred dismissively, 'all you have to do is point and grunt.'
                          "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" - J.K. Rowling (2000)
                          This page is a step by step guide to handling a Troll on Usenet, or any other discussion forum on the Internet. Or, more precisely, it is a step by step guide to beating a Troll at their own game.
                          There are too many Trolls that infest Newsgroups and discussion forums - this site gives you some ideas about how to stop their antics permanently.

                          Before we begin, though, understand this: the best way to deal with a Troll is to ignore them entirely. They are not worth your time, however you may feel about their comments.

                          However, this site recognises that sometimes you may be unwittingly drawn into a 'conversation' with them. This site will help you to deal with that situation.

                          "How To Handle A Troll" i

                          What is a Troll?
                          The best way to know what a Troll is, is to see what they do. The following link is a humourous look at how to Troll, even encouraging people to take up the habit. Note how the author himself distinguishes between the Trolls who are just trying to gain attention, or are trying to create havoc.
                          Yet the author has made a fatal flaw: He fails to see that ALL Trolls crave attention. That is the sole reason they exist - whether or not they want to feel that they have achieved something (even if it is destruction) or to be recognised for doing something deviant, they want just a little attention in their direction.

                          Remember: Without attention, Trolls are nothing. They have no audience, and no victim. To read the website, click here. NOTE: The previous website has been removed. I will try to find a replacement site that demonstrates Troll mentality, but until then, you'll have to make do with my explanations, sorry!

                          I would encourage you to read the whole page. We'll come back to it later, but it is well worth it anyway.

                          The mentality of a Troll is obvious - he wants a cheap laugh, and that is all. The offense that may be caused is of no concern to him, as are any other ramifications of his actions.

                          This Usenet post describes what many people consider to be trolls. There are hundreds of such definitions across the 'net, on various different websites (including this one, and many that are linked on this site). Ultimately, these many definitions of trolls, all vary slightly, but they all sum up to this:-

                          Trolls are a nuisance. They purposefully cause annoyance to other users, but their approach can, and does, vary. Some trolls are obvious, some are not. This website attempts to show you some of the different approaches that trolls take - to keep you, as an Internet user, prepared.

                          Are there different sorts of Trolls?
                          Yes. There are several types of Trolls, and each is discussed on in more depth later in this site. They are: The Bored's, The Liars, The Confrontationalists and The Controversials
                          Many Trolls just want to be a nuisance. They're kids who aren't mature enough to have a sensible conversation. These Trolls fall under The Bored's category, but that does not necessarily mean that all Trolls are children. Many "mature" adults find enjoyment in Trolling groups.

                          But there are other trolls who set out to cause havoc. This may include posing as a regular poster in the group (then acting in a way to deflame that person's good name). Or it may be to draw members of the group into an argument.

                          You can read about that sort of behaviour here. Here, a Troll has managed to draw people into an off-topic discussion that has resulted in an innocent poster losing his ISP access. This is all part of the entertainment for the Troll.

                          NOTE: The previous website has been removed. I will try to find a replacement site that demonstrates Troll mentality, but until then, you'll have to make do with my explanations, sorry!

                          Why don't people like Trolls? Surely they're just having fun!
                          Trolls are a nuisance, as they frequently set out to antagonise other people who post in the same forum. For example, take the following post by "Drew" in the Usenet foum alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
                          LOW RATINGS NOBODY WATCHES IT LIKE STNG STNG HAVE THE MOST RATINGS.
                          By the way, you can Click Here to see the message on Google

                          The above message is a prime example of a Bored Troll post. It is almost unreadable, atrocious grammar, and blatantly insults the show that the newsgroup focuses upon. The Troll is probably a bored teenager.

                          STNG is supposed to read ST:TNG (or, Star Trek:The Next Generation). The bad spelling is a part of the Troll - attempting to provoke insults from the regulars about his spelling.

                          Responses such as "You're an idiot. You can't even spell." is what the Troll is hoping for. This way, he can draw you into a prolonged argument about who is the bigger idiot. Sensible ways to respond (if you have to at all) are discussed below. Trolls who throw insults across the 'net are Confrontationalists and relish seeing any response that indicates the respondee is wound up, or aggravated by their Trolling.

                          It is fair to assume that people who regularly post to an Enterprise newsgroup will be fans of the show. By saying that the show is not up to par, "Drew" is hoping for other posters to get angry with him, degrading themselves to the mentality of schoolchildren in the process.

                          Trolls are the Usenet equivalent of the School bully. They don't have to be that big, hard, or clever to throw their weight around - but they do enjoy watching the over reactions of the other posters.

                          Their messages are poorly laid out - usually on purpose, with bad grammar, spelling, and, more often than not, written entirely in caps.

                          Some Trolls can be entertaining, but that may not be their intention, nor may that be the intention of any troll.

                          The Troll Sukami Master infests the newsgroup alt.fan.harry-potter (among others), and after one post titled "Trollness", OnsenMark followed up with... (click here for google)

                          serj_tankian, you aren't. Hell, even the freakin' *Boinger* is more entertaining than you, and s/he misspells every single word!
                          But Sukami Master isn't trying to entertain the group. He (it is usually a he) is trying to entertain himself. Perhaps this highlights just how shallow Trolls really are. So, in response to the question (finally), yes, trolls are just having fun, but at the expense of every one else in the group.

                          Trolls will happily do the exact opposite of what you want them to do. Sukami Master might be accused of being a "boring" troll, but he gains a reaction every time, because he does not act how people expect a troll to act.

                          How do people respond to Trolls?
                          Usually the most obvious way - they get offended.
                          "Drew"'s post was not as offensive as many you may have come across. Others pick on individuals - either by name calling, personal insults, or by posing as that person to degrade their character.

                          Naturally, people don't like this! Who would?

                          And so, the general result is a range of insults flung across the Internet which does nothing but antagonise the regulars on the board, and entertain the Troll.

                          What is a good way to deal with a Troll?
                          It depends upon the Troll - If you realise that a Troll is just trying to wind you up, or offend you, Be Calm. Don't rise to them.
                          Let's take the example of "Drew" again. How would you react? These are three responses to "Drew"...

                          yeah right.
                          do you trolls really thing your lies are even SEMI BELIEVEABLE????

                          enterprise has a guaranteed 6 years. ratings might not be great, but what's UPN going to replace it with? the Hughleys?

                          This is possibly not the worst way to respond - but it does show the Troll that you have been wound up by their post. There is a certain amount of gratification for him in that!

                          Quoting your side of the argument to him will not help. Even quoting facts will not help. Across the great Internet divide, facts may as well be nonsense figures.

                          By "SHOUTING" you are expressing your anger, which to him is humourous. He is safe in his room, and so such agression means nothing to him.

                          ST:TNG was a first run syndication show. Ratings work different for syndicated shows, than network shows. High ratings for a syndicated show could be considered low for a network show. Believe me when I say that there will be a season 2 of Enterprise, and I imagine a season 7.
                          Again, quoting facts will do nothing, except possibly force an argument that he will relish in, and, whether or not you win intellectually, he will draw out until you couldn't stand it any longer through mis-quotes (of your posts), lies, and perjorative comments.

                          Facts and arguments are a waste of time.

                          You may have a valid point about the low ratings, in comparison to some shows that have had a few more seasons to be developed. ST-TNG definately was a very popular show a few seasons into its run!
                          However, could you not use capslock all the time, as it can be rather difficult to read, and to some, it can seem like you are shouting.

                          Start with a compliment! As shown above, accept that they may well have a valid argument, and therefore have a necessary place within the forum.

                          Keep Calm! Don't let your anger show through.

                          Compliment them before any criticism - and keep that criticism to a minimum. They don't how to react. Before long, they may find themselves drawn into sensible conversations with the group.

                          If possible, make any criticism sound like a criticism of yourself, not them. Here, the responder has made the caps problem seem like the readers fault, rather than the posters.

                          What about other types of Trolls?
                          Some Trolls will pose as regular members of a forum - either by pretending to be someone else, or by joining in some conversations, letting their subversiveness slip through very slowly.
                          For example, this Troll started by joining in some conversations on the alt.movies.spielberg group. "Togetherinparis" slowly began to lie, about progressively implausible situations, until eventually most regular posters left the group. Now, several years on, the Troll appears to be the only person left in the group - still proclaiming that he came up with the ideas for Minority Report, The Force (as in Star Wars) and Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

                          How is the best way to deal with this? It may be difficult to recognise his lies to begin with, and then it is easy to fall into the trap of outright believing him.

                          As soon as you recognise a Liar, don't try to get him to prove his facts - it's impossible across Usenet, and he knows this.

                          You may like to try some of the above tactics - try to draw him into a sensible conversation, without dropping to his level.

                          But, ultimately, there can be only one way to deal with him: Killfile him. Do not let yourself be seduced into having an argument over the validity of his "facts".

                          Other Trolls will try to draw you into a futile argument by a variety of means, but usually by saying something controversial.

                          A Trolls message may be as simple as "Prove that God does not exist" that has been crossposted to a range of religious newsgroups. A Troll is usually idnetifable, as he will often refuse to take a stance on either side - at one time arguing that God exists, and another that He doesn't.

                          These Trolls are Controversials.

                          A Trolls message will often be crossposted to one or more newsgroups that have nothing to do with the subject. By clicking here you can read a Troll thread that spanned for more than four hundred messages - just because it was a controversial subject, and in spite of the fact that the subject had nothing to do with one of the forums in which it was posted.

                          Trolls revel in their threads lasting such a long time - the longer a thread is, the more legitimate users have been sucked into their little game.

                          All Trolls, Controversials, Liars, Boreds and Confrontationalists use "Logical Fallacies" - in other words, they lie, change their minds, or otherwise simply claim any perspective other than the concensus.

                          Logical Fallacies can be a legitimate form of discussion in many instances. But Trolls can use this to their advantage, suggesting that fallacies arise in their "opponents" arguments, where, in truth, those fallacies may, or may not exist.

                          For example, in the following theoretical trollish encounter, the USER follows some of the above steps when approaching the troll...

                          In Newsgroup alt.movies.spielberg ... TROLL: SPIELBERG'S FILMS SUC!
                          USER: Do you think so? I have always felt that the critique of a film-maker lies with their audience. Personally, I quite enjoy Spielbergs films, however it is good to see an opinion other than a positive one addressed.


                          At this point, it is unlikely that the Troll would respond - he has made his statement, and enough people may have argued against him that he is wrong, causing havoc in the group, that his work has already been done for him. We will presume, however, that the troll wishes to create a prolonged thread about Mr. Spielbergs work.
                          TROLL: You know that Spielbergs films suck! If one meber of the audience dislikes the film, then it sucks for them. Therefore, Spielbergs films SUCK!

                          Arguing with the troll will get you nowhere. The counter-argument misses half the point, and they will claim the same of you. What's the best way of dealing with this sort of Troll?

                          Ignore it. Killfile the thread.

                          Others will join in, undoubtedly - but the more people ignore it, the better. Even by acknowledging to the Troll that you know what it is ("You are a Troll! Go away!") will boost his ego.

                          Like the best way of winning a fight, the best way of beating a Troll is to not get involved. That way, you can't get hurt.


                          So, in brief...

                          BE CALM - Don't rise to their antagonising attitude.
                          DON'T LOWER YOURSELF TO THEIR LEVEL - Don't start throwing insults at them. It's what they want.
                          PAY A COMPLIMENT - It is the last thing they are expecting - and the opposite of what they want.
                          ENCOURAGE THEM TO JOIN IN - Let them know they have valid points, and make their faults seem like yours.
                          But, above all else, USE YOUR KILLFILE - It is there for a reason, and it is your most powerful weapon.

                          Will this advice get rid of all Trolls?
                          No. There will always be the persistent ones, and their will always be people in the discussion forum who will inadvertently feed the Trolls ego.
                          But even for the Trolls that don't completely disappear, your actions will sow the seed of doubt in their minds about their passtimes. For Trolls that just won't go away, there is always the ultimate weed-killer application - The Killfile!

                          If worse comes to worst, however, don't say anything. Ignore them. Killfile them, and any thread that gets created by the topics they start. Frankly, they are not worth the time of yours that they will waste.
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    Re: 101 Things to do When you Can't Sleep

    Sun, March 15, 2009 - 9:59 PM
    Flip the pillow over to the cold side.
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      Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:02 PM
      stab grapes with my K9's
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        Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:04 PM
        Oh, you have dogs too?
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          Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:12 PM
          nope, Teeth.

          chief some kief
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            Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:17 PM
            OK
            Well I'm glad to hear you had a good time.
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              Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:25 PM
              Time burns like Blunts,
              and I might not partake.
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                Sun, March 15, 2009 - 10:32 PM
                The hardest part of holding on
                is letting go.
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                  Sun, March 15, 2009 - 11:48 PM
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                    Mon, March 16, 2009 - 12:39 PM
                    You have one of them too?!?!?
                    Damn!
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                      Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:46 PM
                      i have an ocarina, but all i can do is impersonate singing insects with it. The dogs howl. i like it tho.
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                        Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:50 PM
                        Really?
                        I like to pretend that I am Zelda.
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                          Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:54 PM
                          The astrology board has a thread going:

                          The Depth of Gemini's

                          I am impressed.
                          First that someone would put Gemini & Depth in the same sentence.
                          Second that they were not laughed openly at.
                          Third, it has yet to degenerate into Gemini Bashing.

                          I guess it's the little things.
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                            Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:57 PM
                            that is a miracle. Gemini's are so - set up by themselves. rrrrrrrrrrrrr

                            i have taken to cleaning one part of my house when i am pissed off or irritated by someone. My house is one room short of being absolutely clean - hasn't been clean like this since jonah. Clean enouph to start cooking dinner...................................................................................................................................................................................
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                              Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:59 PM
                              Yes, yes we are.

                              I can relate with the cleaning.
                              Sorry to hear you're pissed.
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                                Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:02 PM
                                'Sorry to hear you're pissed. '

                                thanks. not to worry. i have my whip, and stinging devices, for anyone that must push me past the limit. im good with locks, the police, and anything else i need be. and if not, the dog is good at biting butts while i deal with the frontside! hee hee
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                              Mon, March 16, 2009 - 9:59 PM
                              and i really do have an ocarina

                              and a native american bird flute

                              like i could play either one! (old gifts to jonah). altho, i will say that the flute has a sound that is haunting. I AM learning to play a harmonica - its the one that jonah used to take to the woods with him. i like harmonicas- it flows with my idea of how an instrument should be played.
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                                Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:02 PM
                                I know I keep saying "Really?"
                                It's not out of disbelief, I just don't know anyone
                                that has one and plays it.

                                My dad plays the harmonica.
                                He does it in an upbeat, way.
                                I prefer the bluesy, slow, mournful
                                pain filled way.
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                                  Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:05 PM
                                  next time i have my cam hooked up, i will show ya the harmonica for real. like you, i prefer the bluesy type of sound from it, altho i can play a pinnochio style thing if pushed. I love it, cause the sound just comes out, like it should, in yer head. I was a dismal failure at any and all other musical instruments. (except for bullroarers, but all you need to play one of those is a strong arm.)
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                                    Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:09 PM
                                    Bullroarers?
                                    Never heard of it, I will goolge it.

                                    I went to 5 Towns College for broadcasting an Telecommunications.
                                    Had to play an instrument to get in.
                                    I tried Sax o'phone.
                                    Bluffed my way like you would not believe.
                                    Oy
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                                      Mon, March 16, 2009 - 10:13 PM
                                      i've even been known to play a pretty mean .22 pistol too
                                      ************
                                      Lol, no doubt!
                                      I just hope you won't be using it soon!
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                                        Tue, March 17, 2009 - 12:52 AM
                                        I get my fill of the harmonica through my housemate/landlord. He's in 4 bands that I know of. A junk band, a circus band, a blues band, and another I haven't heard yet. So, instruments floating around the house are: harmonicas of different notes, mandola, banjo, upright bass and an organ that I'm not sure fully works.

                                        I play the finger cymbals for bellydance and now stones for hula. I also have a doumbek, that I don't play very well or often. I can also play a mean .38!

                                        I wish I knew how to tap dance.
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                                          Wed, March 18, 2009 - 12:27 AM
                                          hee hee. sounds like a house i would feel comfortable in. Today i spent the late afternoon in a small local witchcraft store, and i had a really great time. and, its another place that is open to me selling gold and silver there, so its a good thing. Witches have funner conversations than most, hee hee.

                                          i don't think i will need to play any gunpowder powered musical instuments....
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                                            Wed, March 18, 2009 - 12:46 AM
                                            I don't know what happened to all our occult shops in SF, but all the one's I knew about closed in the last 10 years or so. Uma's, Curios & Candles, Psychic Eye, even Botanica Yoruba. All gone. C&C was my fav. They had some great stone beads, great selection of books, jewelry, gifts, candles, oils, psychic readings and walls of herbs and preserved items for magical spells.

                                            Oh but, gunpowder itself is fun to play with as a fire element. Laying a thin trail in a design on concrete and lighting it as a fuse.
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                                              Wed, March 18, 2009 - 12:59 AM
                                              ''Oh but, gunpowder itself is fun to play with as a fire element. Laying a thin trail in a design on concrete and lighting it as a fuse. ''

                                              you must do voodoo too.

                                              i used to sell rare supplies to curios and candles, psychic eye, sword and the rose, and botanica yoruba. botanica yoruba still exists as a temple of Santeria.

                                              i make some of the best hot foot powder and black salt ya ever could wish for.
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                                                Wed, March 18, 2009 - 1:10 AM
                                                One of my dance students works for Sword and Rose. I think its one of the few places still open. Small shop, but nice.

                                                I don't do voodoo, really. I just grew up with a hunter as a father. I'm aware of living and dying and possibilities inbetween, but its more gut than brain.
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                                                  Wed, March 18, 2009 - 11:33 PM
                                                  ''I don't do voodoo, really. I just grew up with a hunter as a father. I'm aware of living and dying and possibilities inbetween, but its more gut than brain.''

                                                  i both practice voodoo, and have been a hunter and trapper. the wild outdoors has always been a componet of our family.

                                                  I wonder, does Randy still own the Sword and The Rose? or is it under newer ownership??? Randy used to insist on only buying the very best ingredients.

                                                  Circular Needlework Society.
                                                  Don't forget the old "ladies terrorist and sewing society' - a favorite t shirt during the iran-contra thing.
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                                                    Thu, March 19, 2009 - 12:19 AM
                                                    That name sounds familiar. I think Randy may still own that place. I'll have to ask Monika when I see her next.
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                                                      Thu, March 19, 2009 - 12:20 AM
                                                      That would be so cool.
                                                      :):):)
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                                                        Fri, March 20, 2009 - 1:44 PM
                                                        Yes, Randy still owns the place. In fact, its the last occult shop in SF now. I guess there's only one Orisha place left too, somewhere in Noe Valley.
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                                                          Fri, March 20, 2009 - 6:38 PM
                                                          Ah, thank you Sandi! wonder why the shops left? cause i know that some like curios and candles, were doing a very brisk business of it all. the number of people burning candles has not went down, i can assure you. oh well. im going to do a small online occult supply soon myself. tiny, but hard to get items of intrest to the right persons. i have a small amount of drive someone insane powder. Thats hard to get. And i make a woppin' good Black Salt.

                                                          A friend just sent me a St. Expedite figurine for my altar. And i just made friends with the lovely local witch supply store owner. Her and her husband are very sweet people. It seems some of the energies of my past is whirling around me again. And beleive it or not, but i am inventing a whole new approach to silver colloid making. While things have been hard, i also have new things happening. :)

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