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right now, Im feeling a bit pissed off with all these people who insist that staying in the love and light is the only place to be. Be positive, dont focus on the negative. Bla bla bla. But I like studying the darkside of life and humanity, my own darkness. It intrigues me, I love following its trail back to its root. Why is it just seen as a negative and not the flip side of positive? Reality? Part of life? I love burning down to the ashes of self and reinventing, reinvigorating, evolving with some new perspective, insight, wisdom. As a scorpio woman who has spent quite a large amount of life in the darker recesses.. do the shiny shiny people not just shit you to tears? Or am I just jealous of them for their constant friggin happiness? I for one think humans need a good dose of hardship to make them better people, give them perspective. I have experienced a lot of grief, which inturn makes me appreciate life as (one example) or is this just rationalising my own behaviour? Probably.
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 11:12 PM>>>
I love burning down to the ashes of self and reinventing, reinvigorating, evolving with some new perspective, insight, wisdom.
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I feel that...
I don't think anyone is always happy... I can appreciate really positive seeming people because I do think they radiate good vibes though...
I think It's cool when a person can can put things that are bothering them aside when they are around people... -
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Fri, March 14, 2008 - 11:29 PMyeah me too.. Im not always able to do it though.. I lived in Japan for a while and its the rules (please take what I say with a grain of salt.. there is always humour in what I say even though most people dont see it. especially in text only stuff) to always always present yourself as happy, which I struggled with on the odd occasion. Its interesting though my best friend is a scorp who is more honest with her inner self in public than me, and sometimes I just wanna shake her out of the spot she is in, but at the same time I just know she is just ruminating her inner thoughts and workings through stuff and is not expecting me to make her feel better.. and I would rather see that than a false facade. I wanna know all of her and I love that she shows me that, the realness of her, good and bad. And she does the same for me. Its a wonderful friendship. And I get that other people dont want to have to deal with that, I of course I try to spare people that. But I think if people were prepared to go to that place more, just as something to discuss then maybe people would be able to resolve more stuff rather than just sweep it under the carpet.
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 12:00 AMno smelk its not a rationalizing of behavior ...you're quite right ... and I feel the same way ... I've about fucking HAD it with the endless new age metaphysical sunshine coming out their ass types here on Tribe and elsewhere......
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 1:23 AMha ha you make me laugh.. see there, darkness makes me smile. Its funny, and true.. metaphysical sunshine coming out there ass.. I can just visualise it
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 7:31 AM"endless new age metaphysical sunshine coming out their ass types here on Tribe and elsewhere...... "
INDEED.
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 2:36 AMI agree that darkness is necessary and not inherently bad, and as a feminist especially, I think we need to honor the "dark" side, because it's also the feminine side.
But... I still don't think it's cool to use scorpion powers of control and manipulation to hurt other people without justification. A lot of Scorps make themselves judges of human behavior, and if another wee earthling doesn't stack up to their standards, it's off with their heads. I have experienced this kind of manipulative, insane, warrantless behavior and I certainly didn't do anything to deserve it. I was just a handy tool for this particular Scorp to get what they wanted/needed. Not cool... and probably not what you meant anyway, but still... -
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 4:13 AMno that wasn't what I was talking about at all.
But sure if you want to go there, Im sure we as humans all part-take in that kind of behaviour, not just scorps. i had some pretty bad run ins with people who happen to be aquarians, gemini's, virgos, sag's, capricorns, taureans'.... but that's life. Why do people do the things they do? I dunno. Some people are afraid, insecure, jealous, dont know any better, who knows really. Im sure there are some that control and mainpulate without justification.. but Im sure in their mind they believe they are justified as much as you believe they arent. The world is full of complicated human beings. I dont think you can just tell people there behaviour is bad without finding the root of it. What their motivation is. And with that you need to delve into their darkest most inner world. Everyone has a reason for doing things, but half the time Im sure they dont even know what it is because they havent looked deep enough. -
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 12:10 AMYes, we can all do that. But that intense power to control/manipulate is generally considered a Scorpio trait. And we all have some degree of Scorpio in us, because we all have an 8th house. I personally have a Venus in Scorpio and Uranus in Scorpio, and I know my Venus has lead me to do some shitty things. And those shitty things were not justified... they were selfish. I was using my power for evil. Which isn't okay. -
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 1:31 AMHmm I've got a bad Scorpio I have to deal with on quite a regular basis. Rather an un-evolved one, dark, very dark. Manipulative, self-centered, arrogant, controlling, vindictive and enjoys vengeance, every drops of it. Don't really like him being around me as it vigorously stirs up the dark side of me I care to forget and put behind. But he seems to knows exactly which of my buttons to push, to his own unforeseen destructions. -
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 1:45 AM"to his own unforeseen destructions."
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 3:48 AMjeeze you guys really have it in for scorps... thats pretty dark in itself. How is it any nicer to be bagging out scorps based on generalisations? Maybe they are just assholes fullstop. -
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 3:48 AMthe people you are referring to.. -
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:14 AMwe were both referring to the scorpio within ourselves, actually. I mean, I also was talking aboutt a different woman in my first post,, but in the later post it was obviously about myself, and the other guy was talking *just* about his own scorpio self. when he said "I have a bad scorpio," he was talking about the scorpio in his chart, not someone he knew.
And also... I think there are a lot of wonderful things about scorpio as well. But controlling and manipulative are not the good Scorpio traits.. There are good and bad traits to every sign. I would never judge someone just upon learning that they're a Scorpio. In fact, this guy I know from an activist conference is a Scorp and I have a big old crush on him. With my Venus in Scorpio, that intensity is pretty attractice in a romantic partner. Also, one of my fave and most respected friends is a Sun Scorpio, another Venus Scorpio, and another Moon Scorpio. . And Scorpios can be super loyal friends.
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 11:27 AMi love my scorpio nature and would not trade it for anything
boo yaa
come get some intensity
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 1:25 AMME? Controlling and Manipulative? NEVER!!!!!!
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 1:29 AMi've got some scorpio intensity...
but i don't appreciate manipulation. two different things. i love scorpio nature too (intense is terrific, especially for love/sex), but manipulation and friendship do not mesh! I'm not implying that all or even most Scorpios are like that ( in fact, only one of the ones I know has been), but the way she wielded the bad side of Scorpio was not okay.
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 2:49 AM[Smelkstar]
"do the shiny shiny people not just shit you to tears?"
Sometimes, though just because they're not on my road, it doesn't mean they're on the wrong road.
"Or am I just jealous of them for their constant friggin happiness?"
Maybe, if they are on doses of constant happiness then they're either crazy or lying. Rainbow would be so boring with only one color, so let them paint. They have their roles in the whole grand scheme of EmoSystem.
"which inturn makes me appreciate life as (one example) or is this just rationalising my own behaviour? Probably."
Yep, and you're a better person for realizing it :) -
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 2:55 AMjoke people joke
of course Im manipulative and whatever else. Im shiny, Im dark, im jealous, im happy, im sunny, im rainbow, im a good person, Im bad. Im everything. Im human. -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 11:04 AMHey everyone, now wait just one minute here - Smelkstar's Universe knows what he's talking about.
I agree with the notion that being "happy" all the time, is plain backwards. What is it with society and their unrational fear of the 'dark'? We are continually conditioned to be happy all the time and that's unhealthy. It's stupid.
You need the dark, to see the light, and appreciate it. In the dark is where the answers lay. But you have to find them. Especially about oneself. Don't be afraid of it- accept it, and work through it. Sometimes when you have a problem, the only way to fix it is to go into the dark, and deal with it, this time you will come out more healed.
I think people are afraid of the dark because they are scared about what they will learn about themselves. I am not going to go through my life afraid of my darkside, I want to understand it. And isn't that what Scorpio's want most? To be understood. In every case, we should start with ourselves.
Fuck, I hate it when people get so afraid of dark emotions, it's what makes us human! -
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 4:45 PMSmelkstar is a fem-ale Jen
get it str8
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Mon, June 2, 2008 - 4:14 PMsome of them are unhappy but haven't got a clue. really.
and a lot of them are happy to be manipulated and controlled.
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Sun, June 29, 2008 - 2:08 AMonce upon a time, i was there too. the positive optimistic people i couldn't stand seeing one bit.
and the darkness is where i believe i still am. not the cold, gloomy place where everyone see is evil.
but the darkness is where no one can see but I.
i believe there's two worlds, one is where the sun is, the other is where the mind is.
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Wed, July 2, 2008 - 8:07 PMI can't stand when people tell me that as well. If I wanted the la-la postive police I would look for them.
I think it's good to explore that. And you can't have one without the other. -
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Wed, July 2, 2008 - 10:35 PMi don't focus on the negative, but i ain't gonna bullshit myself about it either, a shit day is a shit day. and a good day is a good day. i think sometimes that those people who just must verbally accoust you into positivity, are people whom may not be dealing with stuff in their own reality. -
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 10:19 AMi find it interesting that as soon as darkness is mentioned people start talking about 'bad' and 'good'
have you ever murmured to a lover in the darkness and felt undulating mysteries unfold?
in the darkness only clear sight is deprived - all the other senses are heightened.
...and when the nails and teeth come out... hehehe
bad?good? *shrug*
i do find all the 'oh the light, oh the light, be in the light' to be tiresome crap.
i do love the light - but i get 'sun' burnt ya know, and by 'eyes' get sore.
for the most part - especially coming from the meta-fluffy type - the light is just 'pretty' and 'nice'
and i have a taste for the mysterious, unfathomable depths.
but that doesnt prevent me from being brought to my knees in Awe at the beauty and power of LIGHT in all its glory. -
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 12:27 PMI think darkness is part of the process. Isn't it the ultimate goal to get to the light?
I also believe that one can't exist without the other. To stay all 'lightheaded" would be dillusional and I would suspect one of hiding something, or like someone else said - clueless. Ignorance is bliss.
Fact - going all the way down to the depths of darkness definitely helps to see the light truly.
But darkness is not meant to live in forever. Or should I say (I) - as in Sunshine- don't want to be in the darkness forever. Just enough to appreciate the light.
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 1:52 PMHow about people who believe they are always good? -
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 3:43 PMI agree with Sunshine, without darkness there is no light
Maybe the people who avoid or neglect the dark side , can never know the true beauty of its opposite
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 11:17 PM"How about people who believe they are always good?"
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 11:21 PMthe word "lucifer" translates to lightbringer. -
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Thu, July 3, 2008 - 11:24 PMit is actually a corruption of the term 'lucificias', or 'ornament of brightness'. -
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 2:29 AM'ornament of brightness'.
That's interesting. What's the story there|? -
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 11:55 AMIt comes from a book called "A true and faithful account of what passed for many years between dr. dee and some spirits"", meric causabon, facsimile of the 1658 edition. the accounting of the angelic forces are different than the typical christian point of view. the book concerns itself with angelic language, syntax and grammar. the language is supposed to be the original, descended from the time of the patriarch enoch.
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 2:44 AMLucifer was Gods most beautiful angel. According to the Hebrew text he was Gods lawyer. He would witness mans sins to god and report them back to him. This is what he still does today. Lucifer left god for his own kingdom. But any learned man knows that Michael defeats Lucifer every time. Michael is God’s infinite angel. All Lucifer does is report back to God mans sins. Lucifer wants you all to lose. Call Michael to defeat him. It works every time. Michael is supreme and infant. If I may suggest a book by Rudolf Steiner called The Archangel Michael His Mission and Ours. It is a very cosmic book that goes beyond thinking and into the universe. -
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 10:10 AMi do not trust old texts .
dont believe the hype ... -
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 4:04 PM"How about people who believe they are always good?
That's someone with good intentions, but even with good intentions, most of us mortals have a blind spot or two.
To see 'em would take a moment of darkness....
The movie The Matrix seems to fit somewhere in this discussion....
It's no wonder the sign that would govern a soaring eagle and transformation, also will govern all hidden psychological depths, or the darkness. -
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Fri, July 4, 2008 - 4:12 PMSmelkstar are you jealous? I don't think you're jealous, maybe irritated because you know there's more to it.
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 1:51 AMsynerGy is this to me?
do not trust old texts .
dont believe the hype ... -
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Fri, June 26, 2009 - 2:47 PMThis topic deserves to live longer, it touches a very sensitive nerve in old Scorpys & Virgos relationship. Maidens & scorps are supposed to use each other as gurus to evolve: one must aquire a taste for lifes sordid pleasures & the other one has to try & be really angelic! I´m not sure whose "homework" is considered most repelling, but I think I hear steam in the pressure-cooker fizzle when old Scorpy puts on a pink apron & start cutting the lettuce for a nice, vegetarian dinner... -
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Fri, June 26, 2009 - 5:36 PMI love my personalty dark side. It is the part of me that makes things happen only for me. The dark side makes you loyal to yourself.
It helps you survive and get what you want whether or not others approve or dissapprove. Sometimes this involves the strong overpowering the weak.
My Darkness:
Passion
Revenge
Lust
Hunger
Survival Instinct
Love
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Leadership
Passion
Generosity
Love
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 5:55 AMBad deeds never really appealed to me, not even as "irresponsible" teenager. Don´t think I ever vandalized anything & never got into any fistfights. Things like clean sheets, quiet surroundings, neat bookcases & decent food has always been the priority. My chums in school accused me of being just like old folks...and they were right!
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 3:30 PMi was the same way. i have had some bad things happen in life, but i was not a pain in the ass teenager. i didn't vandalize (its your own town, you know?) or get into fights either. sometimes i had to protect myself from one, but i thot life is easier without anyone confining me for my actions. (my dad was a police officer, so i was real clear, early on in life, about the consequences of bad behavior. -
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Sat, June 27, 2009 - 8:06 PMhow do bad irresponsible teenager deeds, vandalism and fistfights relate to scorpio darkness?
Those are merely the traits of an immature and uncivilised person.
Its nice to know that you guys weren't thereats to society =D -
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Sun, June 28, 2009 - 2:54 AMhow do bad irresponsible teenager deeds, vandalism and fistfights relate to scorpio darkness? '
thats easy. If you for example, let schoolyard bullies beat someone continually, without some balancing of the scales, that child may just do something silly like - get Ak-47's and blow the living shit out of his schoolmates. kids that get their bones broke and self esteem taken away - usually grow up to be very extreme adults. And not usually in the nice way, if you take my meaning. letting a little monster brute beat others teaches others to in turn, beat others. Especially when young, when kids do damn near anything to be part of the group. Today, kids are screwing and making babies before they are 12. Kids are getting aids before they know what the hell it is. Irresponsibility goes a long way in todays modern world.
throw those factors together into a scorpio child, and i assure you, there will be some darkness coming. Ya learn how to 'fix' things. You learn how to spot danger and enemies at first sight. And generally, when the ship sinks, scorps have a hidden floaty thing to swim away on. beleive me. hee hee If there is a back door, we know it. If we can lock the door, we do so. Its pretty much up to the choices made by the other person that determines the action of a scorpio in severity. and somtimes scorpios like sharp pointy things. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 12:11 AMbecause you were scorpio, you were able to avoid trouble. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 12:35 AMwith one HUGE blaring exception, that is true. :( hee hee. -
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Mon, June 29, 2009 - 12:36 AMFor some odd reason, i am always witness to someones secrets, whether i want to or not. so in the main, i stay unmolested by the world, cause my enemies also know i have enouph dirt on them to make their life as uncomfortable as they make mine. Knowledge is power, hehe. -
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Tue, June 30, 2009 - 3:29 PMThat is a great indefensable self defence trait defence of scorpios!
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Sun, July 12, 2009 - 3:23 PMi don't suppose you know what that was about either? -
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Sun, July 12, 2009 - 11:23 PMBottom Line is,, If you F--K with me,, I will become your worst nightmare,, Like my 2 ex-best friends who became my Landlords,, the long story short , I had to resort to suing them,, and I won, to the tune of $165,000.00,, and their Karma was so messed up, one, the better of the 2 died from Leukemia,, I was heart broken when I learned this,, the EVIL ONE is still alive,, I will not go near the property,, the "energy" surrounding it is so caustic,, imagine the movie "Carry",, where, at the end the house is swallowed back into the depths of Hell !! -
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Wed, July 15, 2009 - 1:06 AMWe are going to be experiencing Scorpio Darkness very soon.
Put on your seatbelts and raingear, and hold on. It may be a bumpy ride. -
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Wed, July 15, 2009 - 1:09 AM'Bottom Line is,, If you F--K with me,, I will become your worst nightmare''
i know how you feel Miss Phae. I am not so amused with a few of my 'friends' right now either.
tonite, i went to a class, and we talked about how to take a 'pause'. Like-pause before tarring and feathering. Pause just one nanosecond.
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Wed, July 15, 2009 - 9:38 PMMiss Phae, *ucking with you doesn't seem like a fun proposition. I bet people do it anyway, and are surprised when you remind them of the boundaries. What is ironic about the scorpio personality complex, is that everyone in the vicinity acts like they are 'gonna get it', the 'bad' or volatile scorpio. Phytt. Everyone that tango's with us does it on purpose, in a specific manner, earning the abuse they justly get. We do not take the world out postal, but people would like to slant it that way. No, its specific facets that are targeted, for a good reason. Frequently around the subjects of ethics, boundaries, and responsibilites. As i get older, i just don't care to waste the time on an explanation anymore.
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Wed, July 15, 2009 - 9:41 PMOne cannot progress to higher abstract mental functioning until one accepts that they are ignorant.
That is the beginning of the steps required to progress to self Gnosis
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