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Lilith in Scorpio

topic posted Thu, October 4, 2007 - 10:44 AM by  MaryEllen
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<excerpted from Interpreting Lilith by D.G. Jay (1981), a book specifically for Dark Moon Lilith, but I believe the interpretation can be applied, liberally, to all the Lilith forms, especially if you are still confused about which witch is which>

With Lilith in Scorpio there is exaggerated emphasis on pride, ambition and/or challenge. The inner need for challenge is so magnified, as to make it a prime necessity within the chosen work. This one cannot remain long where simply a working routine predominates. Instead he must find another outlet for the overstate investigative urges. This, in order to eventually help set in motion the kind of changes he determines are needed in the work atmosphere & to do away with whatever (or whoever) is obsolete. Selfishly applied it brings his own obsolescence down upon himself.

There is a deep hunger for control that is, for the most part, undetectable in early life. This remains so, until a creative outlet or area within the vocation is found that is challenging enough to qualify for the powerful releases of his reform & super-perfectionistic drives, in a socially acceptable manner.

There is a persistent draw to the unknown or supposed impossible. They are valuable people in research work; investigation; in any one of the medical or metaphysical arts; or business, where they may enjoy a delicious new set of challenges over & over within the career. Divine release from wells of submerged tension comes in the overcoming. Where there is emotional objectivity, Lilith in Scorpio gives a strong scientific bent which can be brilliantly released.

In Scorpio, Lilith causes the person to feel an insistent need to reach beyond himself, to uncover hidden areas of/or attached to the work, so that they may be overcome. The extremism of Lilith in the extremist sign of Scorpio may cruelly surface to the detriment of the individual, if the exaggerated personalization or overstated pride is misguided, as in the case of Richard Nixon.

These people are basically loners, contrary to outward appearances, with a near reverence for the use of strategy. They believe that growth can only come from attempting to reach beyond their stretch, so to speak & that the only failure comes from not trying. Change is what counts & opposing strength is respected.

In personal areas, they need to learn to recognize when the time arrives that the real victory is in the letting go, or suffer the emotional purging they bring down upon themselves that acts as a disciplining factor, that will, hopefully, leave them the wiser. The cookies in the jar to be let go of are the desire of power on the mundane level. They too fully understand power over others & the goal once set in motion is seldom turned away from, unless this person can detach enough to gain perspective.

Persons with Lilith in Scorpio appear extremely controlled as a way of compensating socially, to deny the powerful tensions that drive them from within. They are not above deliberately putting on excessive weight in some cases, to protect their vulnerability to emotional enslavement to another sensed in anticipated romantic relationships. There are strong (though not necessarily voiced) opinions one way or the other on any subject that interests them. However, for the most part it is conformistly held in check to avoid unnecessary exposure of the self, but he may abruptly disappear when others tread too closely on HIS truth ~ as those close to him can testify.

An early sexual awareness is intensely felt, but is kept to the self, lest a surfacing of something they haven't yet learned to handle is misunderstood or troublesome beyond their mein. One student made reference to this as, :making sure you can handle the dragon before unleashing it".

In the comparisons children automatically make to one another, the difference is sensed, which in turn is inwardly subject to denial (bottled up). It manifests in later years as a disarming magnetism that is difficult to ignore when keen interest is directed from them to another.

When desire is aroused, for whatever reason, the concentration of feeling becomes an intensely persuasive social over-charm exuded over the object of interest. Under ordinary circumstances it is not visible. Quite the contrary, it is seen on those rare occasions when the person anticipates something challenging & then it is quite automatic. The Lilithian energy, released through the powerful desire nature of Scorpio, has a quality of fascination that draws, not unlike Neptune, bit is far stronger. It is very unique to watch & is manipulative toward the desired effect (probably unconscious). Magnetism seems to exude from every pore at that time. When the desire of 'impressing' interest is over, the noticeable persuasive quality & particularly the brilliance in the eyes, dims. There is this hypnotic brightening of themselves that is the giveaway of one with Lilith in Scorpio.

In Scorpio, Lilith magnifies whatever the degree of emotional instability that lies in the makeup, which has a great resource from deep wells of tension.

When aspected with Pluto, denial of sexual expression is not uncommon. Celibacy may be preferred, forced or accepted by choice, as an answer to an unpleasant or unhealthy situation. The energy may eventually break out into strong metaphysical interest to develop the stretch into the unknown this one desires.

When desire is motivated by intellectual, creative or social-esthetic considerations, detachment (as the impersonal) overcomes the personal, underscoring a dedicated one-pointed perseverance that will not back away from any challenge to achievement in the chosen field.

Power of one kind or another is the signature of one with Lilith in Scorpio.

examples:
Annie Besant
Walt Disney
Uri Geller
Samuel Goldwyn
Patricia Hearst
Peter Hurkos
Christine Jorgensen
John Lennon
Marilyn Monroe
Richard Nixon
Sigmund Romberg
Pancho Villa

& me

love all-ways,
mem
posted by:
MaryEllen
SF Bay Area
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  • Re: Lilith in Scorpio

    Tue, October 9, 2007 - 11:54 AM
    This is the first time I've heard of this influence in one's natal chart. Can you tell me where is a good website that employs Lilith in natal chart creation?

    Thanks,

    Kenneth
    • Re: Lilith in Scorpio

      Tue, October 9, 2007 - 1:19 PM
      Can you tell me where is a good website that employs Lilith in natal chart creation?
      ~~~~~~~

      www.astro.com does it on the 'extended selections' page

      'Lilith' is Black Moon Lilith (symbol of a crescent moon over a cross on the chart)
      1181 is asteroid Lilith (lilit on chart)

      Waldemath moon is Dark Moon Lilith (walde on chart ~ h58 in hypothetical planets list)

      h13 & h21 (osc & intp, or other way 'round, I forget) are alternate calculations for Black Moon Lilith (I think)

      love all-ways,
      mem
      • Re: Lilith in Scorpio

        Wed, October 10, 2007 - 2:56 PM
        Thanks mem, you're swell.

        I did google it immediately upon seeing it mentioned for the first time in my life. And, while I got plenty of info about what it signifies and its influence, I coudn't readily find a website where I could get a birthchart with Lilith included. And I simply don't have the patience for a whole lotta lookin'. That's why I asked for help.

        Anyway, thanks for the help folks. I need it!

        Kenneth
  • Re: Lilith in Scorpio

    Thu, September 25, 2008 - 7:32 AM
    When in Scorpius ( the shortest of all zodiacal stations ), Lilith does not rise at east ( Scorpius is PRESENTLY not an ascendant at all ). Lilith has been discovered by Riccioli in Bologna, Italy. ( tags: LILIT VERA, Cassini Lilith, 16 Precessed Ascendants ).
    • Re: Lilith in Scorpio

      Thu, September 25, 2008 - 1:54 PM
      "When desire is aroused, for whatever reason, the concentration of feeling becomes an intensely persuasive social over-charm exuded over the object of interest. Under ordinary circumstances it is not visible. Quite the contrary, it is seen on those rare occasions when the person anticipates something challenging & then it is quite automatic. The Lilithian energy, released through the powerful desire nature of Scorpio, has a quality of fascination that draws, not unlike Neptune, bit is far stronger. It is very unique to watch & is manipulative toward the desired effect (probably unconscious). Magnetism seems to exude from every pore at that time. When the desire of 'impressing' interest is over, the noticeable persuasive quality & particularly the brilliance in the eyes, dims. There is this hypnotic brightening of themselves that is the giveaway of one with Lilith in Scorpio. "

      So true it's scary.. hee hee

      Lilith in Scorpio

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